Sat, 08/02/2008 - 1:48pm — vastleft
msnbc.com headline: "Obama says McCain running 'cynical' campaign"
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Heh
I've seen a couple of those "got hope?" bumper stickers and I think I might go over to Cafe Press and make one that says "got cynicism?" Which to me is a lot healthier attitude not only towards Obama, but all politicians.
I'm with Lambert on not promoting "all politicians" cynicism
Politicians are people, people motivated by power, people tempted by power.
But, as people, they aren't all the same, and so I urge folks not to view them all through the filter of cynicism.
Healthy skepticism? Sure.
"Got realism?"
Thing is, the hopey-hope crowd is noticeably less hope-y when it comes to actually, ya know, doing stuff -- looking backward at FISA, looking forward, or, more accurately, still backward at HCAN't....
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Cynicism
is the new racism!
Too bad it doesn't have the same emotional resonance. They really need a new gimmick over at BHOHQ.
Charge of cyncism predated the race smears
I remember right around the time of the NH debate how the media and so-called "liberal" blogs portrayed anyone who questioned Obama as anti-hope, anti-change (see: Edwards slamming HRC during the debate as one of the attacking "forces of the status quo" for merely criticizing Obama's health care plan--while she had praised Edwards).*
This is why it was brilliant on McCain's part to not only slam Obama as nothing more than a vapid celebrity, which turns any visual and media positives into negatives, but also ridiculing the Messiah narrative, which helps undercut the "moral" shaming of Obama's critics so key to protecting His house of cards (e.g., Obama represents "turning the page," thus, those who oppose him are stuck in the past; Obama is the symbol of unity so those who oppose him are "divisive," etc.).
*Edwards: "Any time you speak out powerfully for change, the forces of status quo attack."
I'm a cynic
word!
OxyCon
I'm a cynical hedonist
"Eat, drink and be merry, for tommorrow we die"
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“I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” - Will Rogers
"Cynics"
I've noticed it's a term that appears quite a lot in Obama's rhetoric -- it's in the Iowa victory speech, something about a "chorus of cynics" who try to thwart the "yes we can" brigades.
Cynicism
is the term that gets thrown around when people do not want to have their ideas questioned (after I mentioned to a religious friend that I was an atheist, he gave me as a gift a book called "Dictionary of Cynicism"... I tried to explain the difference between cynicism and skepticism, but to no avail).
Go Global!
Cynical like...?
Cynical like lavishing the American electorate with praise for being so intelligent and discerning when it comes to our race issues, yet everyone of your actions shows a complete and utter cynicism for the American electorate? (i.e. most of them are racist/stupid)
His voice says "Yes, we can!" His actions say "No, we can't." He can have it both ways, and he can also lose because he wants it both ways.
Maybe you wouldn’t all be
Maybe you wouldn't all be so cynical yourselves if you read Billmon over at the dreaded Kos here
Just because you don't like or are critical of Obama doesn't mean he deserves everything he gets or that it serves left wing purposes if McCain succeeds.
Billmon's post
is another version of "McCain sucks"... something not really disputed here (with some disagreement with Paul).
The position that several commenters and posters have stated is that Obama's candidacy can be examined by progressive standards irrespective of who his adversary is. Whether he faces MCain or whomever is irrelevant to the fact that he's alienated a strong segment of the Dem base or that he's made pretty stark shifts to the right.
And yet, the only retort we hear is "McCain is worse." which, again, is no retort at all.
Or that he has to do that in order to win... again, that argument does not hold water. The CW
on this (and whether it's reasonable or not is a separate issue) is that you rally the base in the primary and you move to the center during the general and that's what Obama is doing... Not so, he divided the base and discarded a big chunk of it during the primary, and now has moved to the right (not the center).
I think it's a mistake and saying so does not make me cynical.
And cynicism is not to be conflated with skepticism or critique.
Go Global!
Department of Bingo!
And great to meet you today, FD!
I guess first, I have to
I guess first, I have to make the obligatory denial that I am an Obama supporter. I never was. I don't really think he has moved to the right. From the beginning, I found his praise of Reagan, his talk of the excesses of the 60's through the 90's and his dishing of Bill Clinton's presidency the wrong way to get old line democrats to support him. I also found the video's on his site objectionable. They seemed to be inclusive of a lot of different types of people at first viewing. But when you looked more closely, they were about sluffing off the old, dead wood and putting the new, read young blood in it's place. But it worked for him with a lot of people. Hillary was wrong about one big thing. Her bagage was not all gone through, as she thought.
I have no problem with skepticism. But I don't see much on this blog but anger toward him, not rich in analysis at this point. It seems to me most people here enjoy seeing him get some of his own back whether its from the right or the left.
I don't think Billmon's piece should be reduced to McCain sucks. It sounds rather more cynical than skeptical to me. I think there was more there than that. You obviously think there is more here than just Obama sucks. But that's what I am seeing a lot of.
I can't get enthused about Obama. I never could. I don't imagine whoever chose him to make the convention speech in the first place thought he was a guy who was going to shake things up and change the way things are done in Washington.
I still see McCain as what the democrats have been villified for on left blogs over and over again, an enabler of the Bush agenda, a two faced, clueless right winger who has the press in his pocket and will without question continue the policies that have so undone the country the last 7 years. Obama disappoints me. McCain and the republicans disgust me.
E-xactly, FD!!
You said it!
And you'd know what Cynicism is, seeing as how you have a dictionary and all...