Why Would Anyone Believe Vitamins are Bad for Your Health?
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I read the original JAMA study when it came out, and I knew it was a piece of garbage then. Now experts have chimed in and explained why my initial impression was correct. 68 out of 815 is not "meta:"
“Instead of causing harm, the totality of the evidence indicates that antioxidants from foods or supplements have many health benefits, including reduced risk for cardiovascular disease, some types of cancer, eye disease and neurodegenerative disease,” he said. “In addition, they are a key to an enhanced immune system and resistance to infection.”
The “meta-analysis” published in JAMA, which is a statistical analysis of previously published data, looked at 815 antioxidant trials but included only 68 of them in its analysis, Frei said. And two of the studies excluded – which were published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute and the prominent British medical journal Lancet – found substantial benefits and reduced mortality from intake of antioxidant supplements.“If these two large studies had been included, none of the reported effects on increased mortality would have been significant, with the exception of the effects of beta carotene,” Frei said. “And the research showing a higher incidence of lung cancer in smokers who take supplements of beta carotene or vitamin A is old news, that’s been known for many years. Very high doses of vitamin A are known to have multiple adverse health effects.”
All the new study really demonstrates, Frei said, is a bias toward identifying studies or research that show harm caused by antioxidants, and selective removal of research that shows benefits.
I've been taking vitamins for years now, and I will get on my soapbox to anyone who listens. There is a supplement combination that is right for every person, and I wish I could say, "talk to your doctor to find out what's right for you." But I can't. The physicians in my family are an exception, and still, even today, far too many physicians are taught a hostility to all things in the world of "alternative" medicine, even when actual scientific research by peer reviewed experts suggests otherwise. Why is this? Because of an unholy alliance between Big Pharma and mainstream medicine, one that starts in medical school and lasts through a physcian's last round of comped golf. Both those groups will make less profit if you can improve your health simply by modifying your diet to include a higher content of the vitamins and minerals your body needs to function well and fight disease. Trust me when I say the collusion is literally is sickening you.
There are certain risks to taking more than RDA levels of certain supplements. But as one professor of medicine once reminded me, "those levels are what your body needs to survive, and not starve to death. In truth, a healthy body needs much higher levels of certain vitamins than what the government recommends to stay healthy and functional." But it would make our industrial foods look bad, if you read on the side of the package that a bowl of sugar encrusted ceral is not only going to give you diabetes if consume it daily, but also that it offers so little in nutritional value as to require ten bowls just to get 1/3 of your RDA for a handful of the vitamins you need. And the AMA once thought it was a good idea to endorse certain brands of blenders, which should tell you how cheaply they are willing to sell their "good name."
Bleh. I won't preach on this, but I will offer some reading which will explain it much better than I can. Go to any health store and read the latest copy of that book. I don't know if my link is the latest addition, but you'll find pages and pages of discussion about what suppliments can and cannot do, who should be taking them, what ailments they can help you with, and all based on research the corporate whores at JAMA would rather ignore.
I thumb my very fit, very healthy body at those losers, who to the best of my knowledge, still dismiss the ancient medical sciences of India and China as 'experimental,' despite those two branches and practices predating this country, let alone a bunch of stuffy whitecoat know-it-alls, by thousands of years.

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Gatekeeping is a lucrative occupation
There are times I wished grumpily that I lived a lot closer to either the northern or southern US border (preferably southern for the purposes under discussion here) than I do, with access to Mexican pharmacies where you can get any damn thing you want, except narcotics, OTC.
Of course that's because I am a faithful patient of Dr. Google. Plug in your symptoms and check multiple sources and links, and pretty soon the same diagnosis starts popping to the top. The challenge then, if it's something for which a cure comes in a bottle, is to lay hands on said bottle.
The one last thing we need to free up is access to testing labs. I have enough relatives who do phlebotomy that I can get a blood sample; why shouldn't I be able to mail it in to the same lab doctors use and get results back? "Oh, but the results need interpretation!! and for that you need a doctor!" they cry in horror.
Pfooey. The doc gets the information as to the meaning of those results from some source, give me access to the same data and I'll make my own decisions. He's just gonna experiment with dosage and all that anyway, and I can do that without having to pay a gatekeeping fee every time I approach the Holy of Holies (usually after an inconvenient, often painful, wait for an appointment to see the priest.)
Yeah and while I'm ranting we need to liberate dental services. The story in the Post this morning about that darling boy who died because his mother couldn't pay a dentist to pull his infected tooth has got me just a little shook up. Can we have a goddamn legal moratorium on braces and veneering and all cosmetic dentistry for as long as it takes to get every decayed tooth in this goddamn country fixed? Then you can go back to your lucrative Hollywood work, Mr. Dentist Sir.
Let's do one better
There are individuals who don't get cavities no matter what they eat.
It's because these people make highly effective antibodies they secrete in their saliva that kill the cariogenic bugs dead.
You could be immunized against them, unlike many other strains of more pathogenic bacteria. It's been done in lab animals.
Guess which medical association has effectively lobbied against the development of this vaccine? Hint: rhymes with "mental".
Believe it about anti-oxidants. You can not easily overdose on vitamins C and E, and they help inactivate toxins you encounter in your environment or that your body produces in response to immune activation (like with a cold or flu). Other compounds like Vitamin A or the flavonoids can be toxic in the pharmaceutical form, but if you get them from foods (like carrots), they are delivered in a form your body can metabolize safely.
But read about them and think about what you read.
No Hell below us
Above us, only sky
Brush and floss twice a day
And you won't get cavities, either. Treating yourself badly and then expecting the doctors to magically fix it isn't only a bad idea when it comes to cardiology and oncology, you know.
Also, there is a gum that will keep all that bacteria dead if you chew it something like once a month. My mom, a dentist, has prescribed it.
As for the medicaid, well, I do know of one dentist in my town who specializes in it, and he's a saint. If you've tried to get money out of the government without an Exxon or Halliburton letterhead, you probably have some idea why most dentists have given up. Not to mention that a lot of people still have an absolute clinical phobia about going to the dentist, even if the government chips in, and to make matters even more interesting those are the ones who tend to show up with 20 or 30 cavities. My mom's pretty good at dealing with them, since not too many people are terrified of a woman who's 5'2", but it's no small task.
Anyway, that kid's death was tragically, obscenely preventable, but it's pretty unfair to dump it all in the lap of a general dentist. Those two kids simply did not brush their teeth. I know wealthy middle-aged attorneys who inexplicably do the same fucking thing. Toothpaste don't cost much. Furthermore, I think most oral surgeons would suspect that he had a life-threatening abscess before he even convinced his mom to take him to the dentist. Nobody who puts on braces or veneers is qualified to treat that. But as the article notes, getting a hold of a specialist is an absolute nightmare.
Again, there's no reason why anyone should suffer a death as excruciating as his in the US of A circa 2007, but I think he was killed by a broken health care system, not by an evil dentist who said "I'd rather let the little nigger die than lose out on $700 for a crown prep!" It also doesn't help that he had an advanced infection before his mom even started calling around for his "toothache", but that's understandable given the hell that is trying to obtain health care as a poor American. (Oh, and did I plug the importance of brushing your teeth yet?)
But I still believe
And I will rise up with fists!!
Agree on lab work
My son has persistent proteinuria for the last three years (that we know of); the American medical establishment is helpless in the face of kidney problems.
Of the seven nephrologists around the world we've consulted, the best is in San Juan, Puerto Rico, one Rafael Gonzalez. And in Puerto Rico, the lab system works exactly as you've described -- the doctor writes you a lab prescription, you go to the lab of your choice (usually a little hole in the wall place near a mall), you get the lab work done, a day later you go back for the results, and then if you choose to do so, you take the results back to the doctor for interpretation. Or you Google it yourself.
A 24-hour urine collection for total protein costs $17 in Puerto Rico. Here in Bloomington, Indiana it costs $74. In PR I get the data myself. In IN I wait for the doctor to get it from the hospital when the hospital has nothing better to do than to send the results.
Now, the lab procedures in PR are the same damn chemistry (a UV spectrophotometer works the same anywhere in the universe, after all) and the lab techs have the same two-year technician training. Thus the actual cost of a total protein analysis -- which involves pipetting a cc of urine into a cuvette and sticking it into the analyzer, then reading the display for the value -- is actually something like $17. The rest of the $74 in IN is parasitism. Pure and simple.
Oh, and I should also add that last summer, the results from the lab which were not shown to us were reported to us egregiously incorrectly by the doctor's office, who didn't understand the difference between protein concentration and total protein in 24 hrs. (Hint -- one is in mg/dl and the other in mg. But they told us the wrong numbers and the resulting confusion was a very bad thing indeed. Fortunately, we discovered the mixup before actual harm was done to our son. No thanks to the doctor in question.)
The system in the States is broken. Very, very, very broken. But I don't see how things will ever be fixed here. Which is one reason we're going back to PR. They may not have public libraries (in Ponce, anyway), but at least the medical system works for the patient instead of Big Money.