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You know, people should really stop calling for Hillary Clinton's death. It's creepy. And rather uncivil. Even if one well-recognized process for bringing about Unity is to slaughter all your political opponents.

Shakespeare's Sister already called out Nice Polite Republican radio's Ken Rubin for comparing Hillary to Fatal Attraction's Glenn Close; in case you don't remember, Close's character is shot at the, er, climax of the movie. And of course, GE's pathetic blowhard Keith Olberman envisioned a similar, Sopranos-like fate for Hillary, with "somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out". And this post from "creative class" [cough] A-lister Matt Stoller fits right in to the same creepy pattern:

Time to Get a Killer Instinct Against Clinton
Clinton is very weak [as any fool can see, after PA], she's come after liberals [with provocations like truly universal health plans, not fake ones], and we should just put her away. ... We [What you mean, "we"?] have rejected her, so she has to find her votes somewhere ... And if we can't, let's figure out how to fix this institutional lack of a killer instinct.

Yeah, Matt's right. The weak deserve to die. Especially those who aren't part of our dominance hierarchy.

Sure, sure, just talk. Metaphor. Look, there's a discussion of the SEIU and MoveOn!


Not any more. With Rubin and Olberman and thousands of hate-filled posts on The Obama 527 That Used To Be Daily Kos, there are already way too many dots for us not to connect them. Words matter. So do frames. Here's Anglachel on Olbermann's call for Hillary's death:

I asked a friend today, a non-political friend, "If someone said Person X took Person Y into a room, and Person X came out alone, what do you think of?" She laughed and said "The Sopranos." The homicidal implication of the situation struck her immediately, and I didn't say what gender of the two people were or even hint that they might be at odds. All it took was the structure of one person taking another into a closed/secluded space and coming bacck alone for her to understand the deadly dynamic. My friend provided all the rest of the story. It is part of our common understanding, and we can shorthand the idea of retributive violence with the name of a popular TV show.

You don't need to say "Kill the bitch" out loud if you can get people to provide the narrative in their own heads. My husband, who thinks I'm a bit extreme and started this electoral cycle as an Obama supporter, "got it" the second I read it to him yesterday. You also can't explicitly say those words because, well, the Secret Service will be all over your ass. Trust me, the guys and gals with the lapel pins and the serious expressions know exactly what Olbermann said. They also know the danger is not Olbermann himself but the person who "gets it" and (unlike the commenters here, even those who don't want Hillary for Pres.) thinks it is a peachy idea, not a horrific one.

I might be swayed by the hyperbole excuse save for the weeks of public statements by Olbermann of increasing incivility and threat, particularly when placed in the context of the hate-laced aggression of his fellow celebrity talking heads, and even more so when one takes into account Olbermann's involvement with Daily Kos, where threats of violence against Hillary are de rigeur. His language fits right into that setting, and did not shock or alarm his buddies whatsoever. They did not find it hyperbolic. It sounded normal to them.

The context was if she would not quit on her own, someone should take that decision out of her hands - by violence. It was his answer to the question WWTSBQ? Obama has not been able to knock her out, take her down, put an end to her, terminate her, finish her off. That's the problem.

Now, I grant you that Stoller's language is not as vivid as Olbermann's. And yes, there is talk of organizing with MoveOn and SEIU to get the job done. But the thrust, the mentality, is exactly the same: If Hillary won't quit, she needs to be killed.

Nice to see Matt has what it takes to do what it takes to become one of the boys. And I'm sure he won't even see a problem. See, in the Village, all this is perfectly normal. That's the horrible part.

NOTE And speaking of "peachy ideas," let's hope this is just an isolated example...

NOTE It's also funny, and rather pathetic, that Stoller considers himself part of a "we," even an "institution." Come off it, Matt. Grow up. You're just a blogger like me. Stick to The Responsible Plan.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

In the same post Stoller called Clinton a conservative over the gas tax, citing Krugman's column. Funny he failed to recall Krugman's other columns, you know the ones praising Clinton's healthcare plan and economic stimulus plan as more progressive than Obama's. You'd think he'd remember since Krugman has been on the enemies list ever since.

The psychological investment these folks have in Obama is scary. He's a fucking politician. Look, I've grown to really like Hillary Clinton over the course of this campaign, but I'm not looking for any kind of personal salvation from her. All I ask is that she try to get universal healthcare (which I don't personally need, but others do), handle Iraq in a way that's not insane, and make the government run better.

Which raises a question that I asked Big Tent Democrat, were all these Blogger Boiz always idiots and I just failed to notice because I agreed with them most of the time? Because I doubt they've all suddenly become different people. And yet, if I go back and read Stoller on Clinton around Super Tuesday, I'll get a much more balanced take. Still for Obama, but not fucking crazy. This is just crazy.

And while we're talking about wishing Clinton dead, you can add Jack Cafferty to the Freud Pool. Via Melissa McEwan:

"Lincoln-Douglas made it famous—a debate with no moderator—but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen between Obama and Clinton. … She says that she will debate him any place at any time, adding that it could even be done on the back of a flat-bed truck. He would probably prefer to run over her with a flat-bed truck at this point."—CNN's Jack Cafferty, coming in at #85 on the Hillary Sexism Watch with yet another allusion to Hillary's candidacy being swiftly ended with her murder.

There just seems to be no end to the men willing to talk about violent things happening to Hillary Clinton.

Submitted by lambert on

It's a routine piece of pandering. Hillary's a politician! Film at 11!

That Krugman's column, and this minor bullet point from Hillary, evoke such a disproportionate response is really rather worrisome.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

I just read a Nation lead editorial making a similar charge about how Clinton was smearing Obama by linking him to liberals. Did I miss something? I don't remember anything like that. Are they talking about Bill Ayers or something? It seems to me that _Obama_ is the one who's frequently trying to distance himself from Teh Librulz.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

OK, I do remember that...

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Submitted by white_n_az on

Wait until next Wednesday and the realization that Obama tanked in NC and barely squeeked out a win after being spotted 33% of the votes (AA) and gets another double digit hammer in Indiana.

Then looming is the pounding he will get from KY and WV.

The OFB will be out of control on Wednesday because it will be obvious that their guy's ship is sinking.

Submitted by lambert on

Did they expect not to get knocked? Why?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Perhaps he heard how his piece was being used to attack Hillary, he's now added:

Add: Just to be clear: I don’t regard this as a major issue. It’s a one-time thing, not a matter of principle, especially because everyone knows the gas-tax holiday isn’t actually going to happen. Health care reform, on the other hand, could happen, and is very much a long-term issue — so poisoning the well by in effect running against universality, as Obama has, is a much more serious breach.

Of course, I'm sure this changes Matt Stoller's view not one whit. Since it isn't about policy, it's about building a movement (to do what precisely, I'm unsure).

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Submitted by koshembos on

Obama's is a fascist movement. Process smocess, it's cult of personality, strong leader, great speeches and violence. Killing the opposition is run of the mill.