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Submitted by lambert on Mon, 11/12/2012 - 4:36pm

Former Confederate states to secede?

Well, if you believe the Red State loons and the local oligarchies. If they succeed they will, no doubt, take the subsidies they used to get out of the hides of their own people.

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Submitted by athena1 on

Is California-based tech the new agriculture?

I say, let em do it. I'm in TN, and I'll just move. Assuming the nukes are not disproportionately located in the south. Hmm....not sure I wouldn't trust Obama to give the nukes to the neoConfederacy. (I am seriously that cynical.)

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Submitted by jumpjet on

And there would be millions of Union loyalists inside the New Confederacy, just like there was the last time this happened.

There are days I think Sherman needs to rise from the dead and finish what he started.

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Submitted by athena1 on

In the market state, rule of law is like, sooooo 1900's. We have a constitutional lawyer as POTUS and a new constitutional neofeudal world order. If Mr Market wants it's legal, that makes it legal.

(If I sound like I'm talking greek (Ha, pun not intended) here, google Philip Bobbit and the market state.)

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Submitted by lambert on

... who is both a worse writer and a far more tendentious ideologue than one would think.

I buy the big picture of a change in the Constitutional Order, however, and it's interesting that an old Anglophilic shark like Bobbit came up with a usable paradigm.

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Submitted by athena1 on

I forget how I stumbled across his writings, but it was pretty surreal realizing that he's an ACTUAL MOTU, openly talking about this stuff.
Also, if you're in the market for a conspiracy theory, check this out:

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&...

I'm really starting to suspect Jones is not just a random fruitcake, but actually operating in bad faith.

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Submitted by lambert on

I think a close reading of the sources is more than sufficient.

UPDATE Jones is a lot like Brietbart: They're both "any stick to beat a dog" writers, and so their evidence isn't trustworthy and its not worth the time to sort them out. We have the same issue on the Democrat side with people like No Quarter. Nobody who has no respect for evidence and sourcing can be a good friend, and not even tactically.

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Submitted by athena1 on

Some people need to kind of be taught how to think critically. The degree of misinformation at infowars makes trying to talk politics with them a WTFBBQ cluster***k.

I think I'll experiment with seeing if they're alarmed by the demonstrably real New World Market State, and point out that it's a bit fishy, at least, that Jones' one mention was 99% approving of it, and see if that might get the gears in their head churning. Some Jones fans are just more profoundly ignorant and locked in echo chambers than actually stupid.

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Submitted by wuming on

And we can't tolerate it. If Texas seceded from the Union it would provide a sanctuary/training base for every hard right paramilitary in the rest of the USA. You can guarantee that the new government there would bankroll it. Hell, if they really wanted to mess with the rest of the USA, they'd open the rightist equivalent of the USSR's International Lenin School to train underground cadres.

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Submitted by wuming on

I'd bet on resource extraction every time. As far as the rest of the US, I don't know, and I'd have to dig into the data to have an opinion on it.

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Submitted by athena1 on

...Reminds me of a futurist novel (the name of which I can't remember) I read a while back, that was written around 1910? And it was written from the perspective of the upper class. And in the novel, the wealthy hoarded coal to crush the coal miners' union.
Hmm...
So, OPINION REVISION.
Yeah, we're probably just screwed if Big Oil bails out on America. How depressing. Gah.

In my utopia, I'd just let them go ahead and have their own separate theocracy country.

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