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The Obama vs. The Romney Round II

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Submitted by lambert on Tue, 10/16/2012 - 7:47pm

An open thread, especially for drinking games. Here are a few live blogs:

NPR.

CNN.

No doubt there are more! I have to write tonight's Campaign Countdown, so I can only listen with half an ear. Document the atrocities!

7:46 PM I looked around for a link to a video that was up, but didn't see one. Maybe closer to the time.

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Submitted by lambert on

http://www.cnn.com/

I guess I'll watch there, because at least it didn't cut out last time.

The Romney's motorcade just arrived!

Ya know, I hardly ever watch TV, and boy, do those faces look weird! Demonic, almost.

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Both of them are using their sincere voices.

Poor Jeremy. If he believes either of these assholes are going to get him a job, he's in deep trouble.

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https://twitter.com/Pragmactivist99/status/258375275543425025

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Submitted by Eureka Springs on

They showed footage of Jill Stein and her VP Cheri Honkala being arrested by the D vs R corporation police for simply trying to get into the "debate" hall. As of debate time Amy didn't even know if they were out of jail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16...

It's way past time to quit calling D vs R's anything but horrible people. Whatever we have under them is an antithesis of democracy.

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https://twitter.com/DMogahed/status/258376829096841216

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https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/258379138023444481

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https://twitter.com/vastleft/status/258379845933858816

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https://twitter.com/anamariecox/status/258380273950007298

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Patch:

While President Barack Obama and his challenger Mitt Romney will get the red carpets rolled out for them at Hofstra University Tuesday night, Green Party candidate Jill Stein got a far chillier reception when she and her running mate were arrested near the debate site.

A video posted by LI Report, a Hofstra student news website, shows Stein being blocked by police from entering the debate. On camera, Stein called the debate itself a "mockery of Democracy."

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https://twitter.com/jillstein2012/status/258381479762096129

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https://twitter.com/tyleroakley/status/258376057693020160

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Submitted by lambert on

.... isn't the same as telling the truth.

Obama seems much less shifty in his lies.

Romney is far more shifty. On the other hand, now, Romney's lying as he moves left (on contraception for example)!

Then again, I could be wrong. After both candidates doubled down on tax cuts, Obama now blames Bush's tax cutting polices... for something.

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Each of these guys is so second rate.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/258384696793255937

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Submitted by Alexa on

least inspiring. More boring than the first one, IMO.

And, hey, how is it that President Obama gets to trot out the "poor struggling single Mom" meme again, and again, when his Mother (Ann Dunham) held a PhD in Anthropology? I'm surprised that Republicans have never called him on that--he is so misleading in his implications.

[Obama's hard luck story also never includes the fact that he attended the top private school in Hawaii, the Punahou School, from 1971-1979. The school was founded in 1841, and presently has a student to teacher ratio of 1:12.]

"The American People" are sooooo propagandized, it's pitiful.

Submitted by YesMaybe on

Another election with two prep school educated Republicrats. C. Wright Mills nailed it in The Power Elite, pointing to prep school as the formative bonding experience for the people on top.

Submitted by dirac on

I'm having a hard time figurin' how holding a Ph.D. in anthropology constitutes well-to-do. Can you explain? Even back then a Ph.D. in the humanities was the low rung.

I know there's plenty of other about Obama's background to identify him as a willful and enthusiastic servant of the upper classes and although this is boring folksy rhetoric I don't see it as awful as the refusal to even acknowledge actual poor people.

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Submitted by Alexa on

I read all the time that the Obama campaign targets poor and low income women, especially minority women. If you listen to his words (I don't have time to check out the transcript tonight, but it will read the same that it always does, I'm sure), his implication is always that he grew up struggling and disadvantaged in a household headed by a "single Mom."

It is very dishonest. I never stated, nor implied that his Mother was "well-to-do," and get your point. I believe that she worked with the USAID. Having served in a professional (federal civil service) position myself, I can vouch for not being "rich." But again, I never said that.

And I've also never implied (nor would I) that I've struggled like a Mom with only a high school diploma. And it is rather ridiculous for him to imply that she did. (His Indonesian step-father had a master's degree.)

The Obama campaign has carefully and intentionally created, or crafted a false persona for him, in order to appeal to low income single women. The clear implication is that he comes from a "working class background," which he didn't. I believe that he's mentioned "being on food stamps," as a child. Well, during the late sixties and seventies, it was easy for a college student to qualify for them, if they "declared that they were self-supporting, and parents didn't claim them as dependents on income taxes." (I have no clue what the policy for students is today.)

If he had actually helped these single Moms through his policies, I would respect that.

What I don't respect is intentional misleading embellishment and deception.

Submitted by dirac on

Sorry, I'm late to reply. Thanks for that thorough and clear response. Agreed that I'd trust their marketing as far as I can throw it. ;)

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Submitted by lambert on

This sounds to me like the racist talking point disguised to me.

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That said, Obama's voice makes me want to throw things just like Bush's did.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

https://twitter.com/gabedelahaye/status/258386611987968000

Submitted by YesMaybe on

And after Romney thinks it's Lorena and finds out it's Lorraine, Obama asks her if it's Lorena. Fool me once, shame on you...

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Submitted by Eureka Springs on

If I knew very little or thought of myself as undecided or centrist/independent Romney would be winning my vote tonight. (again)

Either way, D vs R, we are so screwed.

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https://twitter.com/CarlosQC/status/258389681807437824

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Submitted by DCblogger on

I follow this on Twitter. Only tonight is not nearly as fun as the previous debates.

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Submitted by Alexa on

As Lambert's post earlier today points out, they're all in it together. And they (candidates and moderators) are all about "keeping any meaningful information" out of a public forum.

What a tragedy that a "fortune" will be spent on this sham election.

Oh, great! President Obama just said that he and Romney agree on education policy--privatizing our public schools.

I'll be glad when this ends.

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https://twitter.com/NatashaChart/status/258389837986549760

https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/258389845364322305

https://twitter.com/Shakestweetz/status/258389907008024576

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