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The Growing Business of Exploiting Poverty

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After listening to the Moyers podcast of his interview with Anthony Bacevich, I went tooling around the PBS archives and found this interesting report on the growing business of targeting poor people as a customer base. One poor person doesn't have much money, but as wages have stagnated, we now have a large pool of people who individually are poor, but together have hundreds of millions of dollars. Dollars a lot of businesses seek by charging these folks more for services and products than other Americans pay.

This goes for everything from cars to healthcare. On healthcare:

SILVIA CHASE:In America there are now close to 50 million people without health insurance. At hospitals they are called "self pay" patients — and each year they ring up hundreds of billions of dollars in services — money paid off slowly, if at all.

For American finance firms that kind of money cannot be ignored: BUSINESSWEEK found some are now pitching their services as hospital debt collectors — for a cut of the self-pay pie.

PAUL BARRETT:Hospitals are now operating much more like other businesses. They don't want to settle for getting their money over such a long period of time, with the chance that after a while the person will stop paying altogether.

They want some cash now. Lo and behold, an industry pops up that is willing to help them do that. We'll buy your loan basically, or you'll transfer the loan to us — hospital's happy, great, 80 cents on the dollar right now, we're done. Now, the finance company or the credit card person is suddenly the one knocking on that person's door, and they're not so merciful. They didn't go into the healthcare business to save people's lives; they're in the money business.

SILVIA CHASE:Traditionally, at non-profit hospitals, the approach has been "pay what you can when you can." No longer. Many are now requiring patients to pay their bills through interest -charging third parties sometimes without the patient fully understanding what she's getting into.

A case in point: April Dial, a 24-year-old woman living in rural Arkansas.

BRIAN GROW: April earns about $17,000 a year. She has no health insurance. She's a diabetic meaning her medical situation is, is pretty significant: She has ongoing medical issues, that she can control to the best of her ability but, as with many diabetics, can often result in sudden drops in blood sugar level that will require a visit to the hospital.

[SNIP]

SILVIA CHASE:April's mom signed the admission papers without fully reading them.

CAROLYN DIAL:But they told me they're not going to see them unless they sign admission papers. Well I wasn't worried about admission papers; I was worried about her, because she comes first.

I don't think I've ever known anybody that's ever went in the hospital that has sit down and read the fine print.

SILVIA CHASE:April Dial's experience with Hot Spring County Medical Center goes way back — this is where she was born. And her three-day stay in September was only the latest diabetes care she received there over the past decade.

Since her father's death seven years ago left the family uninsured, she and her mom have accumulated thousands of dollars in bills from the non-profit hospital. But despite living on their truck-stop waitress wages, the dials had slowly paid down their debt.

CAROLYN DIAL:Hot Spring County would let you make a payment. Even if you only paid them $5 a month, you were still making a payment. And I mean I was, I was going to pay the bill, but I couldn't just dish out 4 or 5,000 — 6,000 dollars at a time. I was paying about $50 to $100 a month.

SILVIA CHASE:But when April showed up at the ER in September there were new rules ever since Hot Spring County Medical Center sold its past-due accounts to this private company in nearby little rock. It specializes in collecting medical debt.

APRIL DIAL:I got this in the mail too. It's Complete Care Inter- Incorporated. I've never heard of it before.

BRIAN GROW: A bill shows up from Complete Care and it's a debt owed to Hot Spring County Medical Center, but now they're charging 5.75 % interest. Here you are not dealing with sky high interest rates. But what you have is $455 minimum payments, which would be difficult for anyone, let alone a truck-stop waitress.

APRIL DIAL:It was like a credit card almost. Audio hit I mean, it was interest due.

SILVIA CHASE:The news would get worse for APRIL DIAL: the hospital had sold not only her new debt, but her past bills, too. In all, she was now told to pay off $7300. Without knowing, April Dial had become a debtor to a new player in the poverty industry.

BRIAN GROW:The fine print which she says she didn't read, says I agree that if payment in full is not made within thirty days I will have the option to pay the outstanding balance over time under the conditions set by Hot Spring County Medical Center or its billing company, Complete Care.

Goes on to say that by electing to pay such balance over time I consent to and agree with all conditions disclosed on the back of my Complete Care Statement, including the charging of a fee and/or interest on any outstanding balance.

You can find the entire transcript here. I've been meaning to do more posts on poverty issues, but haven't had time. When I came across this, it seemed like a natural thing to turn others onto.

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Submitted by jawbone on

pushing special healthcare insurance credit cards--which can be used only for copays. But the hospitals, etc., will take them for the copays, and then the same things happen that are described in this program.

We are in a world of hurt--and it's going to get way worse, I fear.

Who will help the poor?

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Don't even get me started on the high cost of bad credit.

If you can get a loan, your interest rate is outrageous. Same thing with a car. You can't buy a decent one, with a decent warranty, because you're credit is bad, so then you get screwed with repair bills, bad fuel mileage, and a ridiculous interest rate from some cutthroat "Buy Here, Pay Here" lot, who'll come and repo your car if your one day late on a payment. And you get screwed with insurance too, since the car is older and "riskier", and you have bad credit, so your premium is higher.

You can only get a secured credit card, by putting $500 dollars down, but if you had $500 why not just put it in the bank and save it for when you need it instead of getting a credit card.

(Do I sound like I'm speaking from experience, cuz I am)

You can't finance through HH Gregg a new dryer when yours breaks, instead you have to go to some Rent To Own place, that has to make 4 times what the dryer is worth before you own it.

The only ray of light of my poverty in this whole mess, is that we never tried to buy a house, and instead rented. So, lucky for us, our rent has stayed stable, whereas if we had bought a house, our rate would be adjusting, and our payments would be increasing.

I CAN HAZ HILLARY NAO?

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Submitted by BDBlue on

is worse than the hospital. They determine the price of the car based on what they think you can pay (no prices are put on any cars in the lot) and charge something like 24% interest. They've been sued by the AG there in Kentucky and those filings sound incredibly interesting based on the reporting.

The entire report is definitely worth a read. The poorest among us pay the most for food, shelter, transportation. As one guy says in the report - there has been a class war and we lost.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

I haven't read it yet, but I'm gonna guess the lot is JD Byrider.

UPDATE: Coming back after looking, I see I was right.

i can haz hillary nao?

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Sleazy doesn't even begin to describe those assholes.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Fortunately, a friend of mine's dad had a car come up for sale at the time, and let me pay it off over the course of a year.

i can haz hillary nao?

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Submitted by basement angel on

People laugh at me when I say that, but it's true - you can't afford deals on anything. Buying in bulk and saving money - cant' afford it. Saving money to buy a house so you can have a stable house payment - out of reach now. We no longer make any attempt to remove lower income families from renter status. You either have a small but stable credit report, or bad credit - either way you don't get the best deals on cars, etc. When I first left my husband, I had good credit though not much in my own name. I couldn't buy a used car without paying fantastical interest rates, and so I sprung for a new Nissan Sentra. Quite reasonable for a new car back then, but 4 times as much as wanted to spend. Most dentists and physicians use finance companies now, so you if you don't qualify for credit, you don't get treatment unless you pay cash. And if you're paying cash, you're paying more than insurance companies pay for the same treatments.

Johnson declared war on poverty. Reagan surrendered and declared on the impoverished. It's disgraceful what we do.

Oh - and just try going to school as a single mother so you can stablize your income. No matter how you slice it, it adds up to Lady Luck intervening - that is, unless you don't mind abandoning your kids several nights of week while you go to school. Can anyone tell me the sense in that?

Grrrrr.....

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Submitted by BDBlue on

is that it's a way for people with more money to make money off people with less. And there are more and more people with less every year. Most people have essentially made up the stagnate wages with credit. But that, of course, comes with interest, very high interest the poorer you are.

Submitted by gob on

I know nothing about this, but I have begun to wonder if the microcredit people could do anything in the U.S. for people who could avoid falling behind if they could just lay hands on a big (for them) chunk of money at a reasonable rate. It first occurred to me as something for free lance musicians who need to come up with a chunk for studio time and CD production costs.

Anyone know anything?

Policy not party!

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Submitted by lambert on

She knows that stuff....

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by tnjen on

(1) We need FD back cuz she knows this
(2) Microcredit can definitely help

My own take is that Microcredit not only needs to be used in the US but the concept should be expanded to cover things beyond helping encourage entrepreneurship.

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Is there a KIVA for the U.S.? And if not, I wonder why - whether it's just that people don't realize one is needed or that there are some sort of legal issues about doing it here.

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Submitted by Truth Partisan on

if you can't pay off your co-pay (and don't even get me started on co-insurance), the hospital will let you set up a payment plan. But if you miss one payment, they are allowed to give (sell?) the account to a credit agency--who demand the whole thing and demand "interest and/or fees" if you can't pay the entire thing that one month.
Yes, it's very expensive to be poor--and all those buy 2 get 2 free sales, etc. are not designed for the poorest--even if the stores have to sell off the food immediately.