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The Democratic Party is irrelevant, example #79806341

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Submitted by DCblogger on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 8:25pm
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Elizabeth Warren
2012

http://twitter.com/aaronsw/status/121372370417102848

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Submitted by Valhalla on

but there's nothing about "refusing" at @ElizabethforMA. Granted there's nothing either way at ElizabethforMA re: OWS. But there's only one other candidate that has anything about OWS on their twitter feeds. Granted, I didn't look very hard (hate, hate, hate Twitter).

I don't dispute the sentiment, just the sourcing.

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Submitted by lambert on

Here's a more official source (though Aaron Swartz is interesting). Slate:

7:50: Warren on #occupywallstreet: "Everyone has to follow the law," but "the people on Wall Street broke this economy."

1. No, but people who break the law -- take, for example, Martin Luther King -- should take the consequences of their at actions. For example.

2. No, the people on Wall Street broke the law too. That's what accounting control fraud is all about.

So, copy edit: "[T]he people on Wall Street broke this economy and the law. And they should be tried for it, and those who are guilty should go to jail."

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Submitted by BDBlue on

That's from a link in the Slate article claiming that Biden doesn't know who Van Jones is. My bet is that he knows who Van Jones is and is happy to have him be the "face" of OWS since he poses no real threat to Obama/Biden.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

that that's what she meant. Over at Ian's (BD's linked below), some people think it was just a badly phrased answer. I"ve looked for video or audio of what she actually said, and how she said it, but can't find any.

I initially read her quote as responding to the prevalent brush off about OWS "breaking the law" (what law? park rules?) with a yeah sure, but who cares because the focus should be on the people who broke the economy. A plausible interpretation is that she just doesn't want to get into a big debate over whether OWS technically broke the law or not, because that's not the point, or not her point.

This emerging spin (again, see Ian's) -- that she's somehow anti-OWS -- is premature and overblown, imho.

At the end of the day, I don't care much either way. As long as she's running as part of the Ds, it's not that important whether she wins or not. I think various progblogs were just repeating their endless quest for a heroic savior when they started getting all slobbery and pumped up over Warren to begin with, and the emerging drive to superparse her statements to bring her down now is sort of the same thing in the opposite direction.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

interpretation of what she said, that she's either asserting or implying what you contradicting her on. (My interpretation btw is that she didn't want to focus on OWS lawbreaking, not that she was avoiding focus on bankster lawbreaking). And I really don't think you can fairly read that short tweet, not even two tweets as any assertion on her part that banksters should not be brought to justice.

I can't find video of the debate. The closest I could come regarding this particular statement is Izvestia --

For the most part, the candidates offered similar answers on questions like whether they supported President Obama’s jobs plan, whether it was a mistake to extend Bush-era tax cuts and how they felt about the Wall Street protests.

On the protests, Ms. Warren said that “everyone has to follow the law” but added, in a line that drew applause, “The people on Wall Street broke this country, and they did it one lousy mortgage at a time. It happened more than three years ago, and there has been no real accountability, and there has been no real effort to fix it. That’s why I want to run for the United States Senate.”

Emphasis added.

So, pretty milquetoast-y, hardly your evocative reminder about wanting to see orange jumpsuits and perp walks, but also hardly a pass on justice for Wall St either.

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Submitted by lambert on

... and the banksters are not. Read the transcript that you yourself supplied. She says: "... but the banksters broke the country." Warren is skilful and careful with her words, and if she had meant to say "broke the law and broke the country" I am sure she would have used the parallel construction.

That the banksters did other bad stuff is true. But they also broke the law. That they have impunity for doing so is the Washington consensus and Warren shares it; what does "accountable" mean if criminals avoid prosecution? Bad publicity? Way too much milque and not any toast at all. I don't think it's fair to give Warren credit for views that aren't justified by the text.

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Submitted by Clonal Antibody on

see ongoing debate
http://gse.uml.edu/debate/

I believe that she was the only candidate, who did not endorse "Occupy Wall Street," and focused on the illegal nature of the protest. I have not been able to watch the debate myself, but that is what the Tweeters are saying.

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