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That Malaysian plane was hijacked or pirated, but we still don't know where it is

Wonderful Daily Mail headline: It WAS hijacked: Malaysian official says it's CONCLUSIVE jet carrying 239 was seized by individual or group 'with significant flying experience' as PM admits tracking was 'deliberately' disabled.

But what's super-weird is that no organization has taken credit or made any sort of threat -- that we know of. I just hope whoever took control of the plane didn't land it on a steppe in one of the 'Stans and loads a loose nuke into it. Because that would be bad.

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Submitted by V. Arnold on

...Chinese; I think it's a separatist Chinese movement. But, the ability to fly the 777 is a confounding part that I cannot reconcile with that theory...
As the Zen monk said; "We'll see..."

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Submitted by V. Arnold on

...It certainly highlights the lax security of Malaysian airports.

Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.
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Submitted by jo6pac on

sure the cia, nsa, and fbi are all over this, Oh I forgot they're to busy spy on Amerikans to bother.

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Submitted by V. Arnold on

...landed somewhere? That's my guess, it's been too long with no wreckage.

Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.
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Submitted by V. Arnold on

Well, well, the latest is exactly what you feared; it's likely in one of the Stans'.
What's remarkable is that with all of the surveillance spyware, radar, electronics, and satellites, that the plane could fly undetected.

Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.
Frederick Douglass

Submitted by lambert on

.... both Malaysia and India might have good reason to turn a blind eye.

I don't see any reason for crashing it in the Indian ocean. If whoever took the plan really can maneuver it round the waypoints in the Andaman Sea, they're not going to blunder out into the Indian Ocean and run out of fuel.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by PunchnRun on

OK, now you have landed a hijacked plane with 200+ passengers. What do you do with them? What do you do with them that simply crashing the plane into some well known object doesn't do?

Does this scenario not imply a some entity with considerable resources already? After all, what good does a plane do you if it is stranded in a remote area? To do something more with it you would need fuel at least.

Submitted by lambert on

Thing is, they had control of the plane. So presumably if they were going to run the plane into a building they would have done it already.

IIRC, you need a 5,000 foot runway. They don't pepper the landscape, but there are plenty about. Your point on the aviation fuel is excellent though -- if the plane is at the extreme edge of the 7 hours flight time which is where land is (i.e., not tin the ocean) the tanks would be empty.''

I think a non-state actor could commmand such resources in an area with a weak-enough state.

But all in all..... 'Tis a puzzlement!

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by PunchnRun on

You don't need a long runway to land, but with that much weight you need at least a minimum to land and keep the aircraft flyable after stopping. If you use barely adequate gravel road you will almost certainly end up with ingested gravel in the engines, which you would have to use at full reverse thrust as the brakes on dirt won't stop you in time.

And then the aircraft must have sufficient room to take off again, assuming that is in the plan. Paved dedicated airstrip is necessary.

I almost quoted the "pass the popcorn" line but it's already looking like a murderous atrocity.

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Submitted by katiebird on

Could a runway be disguised and camouflaged? So that it wouldn't be spotted as it was built, could be cleared in the night for the landing and re-camoflaged after the landing?

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Submitted by V. Arnold on

...and get a good seat and watch this unfold. Me? I have no idea...
But, I'm staying tuned...

Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.
Frederick Douglass

Submitted by lambert on

If the aircraft was under control.... Why fly it out over the Indian Ocean? Makes no sense at all.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by PunchnRun on

Way too many possibilities at this point. But this has already exposed the complete incompetence of Malaysian "armed forces" as that complacent flabby ignorant nepotism club is sometimes called. Why would we think the similar clubs in India, Burma and other regional nations are any different? All that noise they make about "if it flew over us we would have known it" is just so much posturing. India and Pakistan along their common and Kashmiri border are likely to be paying attention, but the rest? Feh, nephews and brother in laws all the way down.

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Submitted by upyernoz on

Why does the possibility that the plane may have landed in one of the 'stans indicate a "loose nuke" might be a possibility? (Pakistan is the only country ending with -stan that has nuclear weapons, and when people say "the stans" it usually refers to the five former soviet stans rather than Paki- or Afghan-)

I'm just curious. As someone who has visited both Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, and spent 8 months living in Kazakhstan, any reference to the region piques my curiosity.