Sunday Atheism Blogging
I like Anthony, a lot. We often "speak" on the blogs we frequent; his own, others, etc. But this post made me lose my cookies. Here's the part that got my wafers in a bunch:
Observing the past thirty-five years, I have come to the conclusion that is one of the important factors in the failure of the left. Atheists and others who insist on the exclusion or minimization of the religious left, that is a huge problem. Put into purely practical terms, whatever passion vociferous, anti-religious people bring to the movement is dissipated by their insults and demanded exclusion of the far larger number of religious liberals. Religious liberals, in my experience, are over scrupulous in their observance of the feelings of anti-religious bigots, also dissipating the essential passion to move our agenda.
Anthony, my friend: you couldn't be more wrong.
How many people in this country know of Greta Christina? Less than .0000001% of the population, I'm guessing. How many people know that Pat Robertson and the Pope are blaming gays for hurricanes and earthquakes? A pretty large number, I'm betting. To assert that people like Greta (call me, Baby! I'm yours!) somehow influence religious liberals and their political participation is just ludicrous. Ahistorical. Stupid, even. Sorry to have to get harsh on you, Anthony, but the facts back me up.
I'm so sick and tired of religious pansies who can't stand the light of critique and reason and humor I could puke. Don't get me wrong: I love Real Christians. Like my BIL, who truly "prays in secret" and offers charity to loosers like me when we're in need. He's great, we have no problems and we've even had spirited, Civil discussions about faith and science. But I'll just say it right now: the problem is *not* the ~5% of us who are unabashed, vocal atheists. Sorry, that's blame I won't accept.
Where are the "liberal" xtians in Uganda? Where are the "liberal" xitans when it comes to horrorshows like The Family and the funhouse on C Street? Where are "liberal" xtians (and Jews, and Hindus, and Moslems, and Wiccans, etc.) when it comes to Obama putting an "ex" gay gawd talker on the campaign stage? I can go on. And on and on and on and on.
You know who I respect? Liberal Christians like Ntodd. He walks the walk, as well as talk. And he's never told me to shut up! Well, except when I told him to put on some pants and put down the dildo, but never mind that. But whining liberal Christians who think that atheists are driving away "good" xtians from politics? Sorry, that just pisses me off. I can't go into a church or house of worship. I'm not welcome there, and the people there won't listen to me. "Liberal" believers can, but they don't seem to be doing that, so much. And despite my constant mocking of belief, and advocacy of science and atheism over religion, I've only managed to "convert" one person to the "religion" of atheism, in my whole long life. And I know of no one, believer or otherwise, for whom politics has become abominable, simply on the basis of me making jokes about Jeebus.
If Anthony honestly believes people like me are driving away liberal religious folks from politics, he has to show me some proof. He thinks we're a "huge problem" so it shouldn't be hard. I'm waiting.