If you have "no place to go," come here!

Somebody needs to tell Obama's supporters...

... that when you're in a fight, complaining how tired you are isn't the best way to win it.

That's all I hear today* from the "creative class" [cough] and the pundits and the OFB:

I'm t-i-i-i-r-e-d!

Well, you're going to be a lot more tired pretty soon. Like the PA trucker said: "That woman has thirty hours in her day."

NOTE Oh, that, and the "good of the party." Frankly, I'm not sure disenfranchising two states and equating the economy during the Clinton years with the economy during the Bush years is the best way to build the party, but maybe that's just me. After all, I'm a racist.

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Submitted by koshembos on

I heard on the Lehrer news hour talk about "the race." Obama should realize that the race is over and he lost. He will be the nominee, but he cannot win (see OH, PA and FL). Instead of fixing his problem, he continues the race.

Hillary showed, to whoever wants to see, that Obama is damaged good; Obama continues the damage...

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Submitted by BDBlue on

If they could stop clutching their pearls long enough, the OFB might be able to find one or two good things about the continuing democratic primary. Like this poll,, showing that both Clinton and Obama re up in their match ups with McCain in Pennsylvania. Hmmm, I wonder why?

Or this,;jsessio...

Or, even, this from Obama's National Co-Chair Bill Daley

But this is a tough process and as Senator Obama has said he's introducing himself, he is still new to the American people and so in a strange way this process may be very good for him in that he is able to go to parts of this country and make the case as a new fresh face on the American scene that he can make a difference.

All of this courtesy of MyDD, here -

But, of course, for some of the OFB it is more important to beat Clinton than it is to build the party or beat McCain.

BTW, it would appear nothing could be worse for the party than prematurely finishing this race. From Survey USA before the results from PA yesterday:

Among Democrats, 59% say Clinton should remain in the race if she loses the Keystone State; 39% say she should drop out.

Among Republicans, 49% say Clinton should remain in the race if she loses tonight; 48% say she should drop out.

Among Independents, 54% say Clinton should remain in the race if she fails to win PA; 40% say she should drop out.

Yet more evidence that the public isn't sick of this election, they're still interested in it. That's why we're still setting turnout records and thousands of people at both candidates' events. And, I maintain that it's bad for the democratic party to deny voters their votes so long as they want to cast them.

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Submitted by amberglow on

and so am i--we love a good fight--too bad Obama sucks at fighting (and that's even with all the money and the fawning media love).

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Submitted by ggggchapelhill on

I live in NC and our primary is May 6. My partner and I were discussing the fact that there are many universities in NC that provide rich enclaves of votes for Obama(UNC chapel hill, duke, NC state in my metro area alone). Then it hit me by May 6 SCHOOL IS OUT!!! I can only hope that this will dillute his strength in that demographic. This must be true in Indiana as well. I wonder if the campaigns have realized that by the time the primary comes those pockets will be emptied. To be fair, early voting has just begun here, but they must be busy with exams and stuff. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

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Submitted by snow-moon on

I guess you haven't heard about the early vote events in Greensboro and Carrboro-- on May 1 and May 2-- at 2:00 in the afternoon.

Free, outdoors, all ages.

With ARCADE FIRE and SUPERCHUNK. (Merge is a local record label.)

The rumor is circulating that Obama might make an appearance at one or both of the concerts. Even if he doesn't show-- enough people already believe that he might, and that can only boost attendance (rock concert/ rock star...)

And this year, not only is there early voting on-site (conveniently located at both concerts), a person can now register and vote at the same time.

The concerts are attracting students from UNCG, Guilford, A&T, Greensboro C., Bennett, UNC-CH, NC State, Duke, NC Central- and a few others.

People are also driving from cities such as Winston Salem (Wake Forest) Wilmington (UNCW) - both within one or two hours of both venues.

They've got a good ground game going here. They'll get the students.

(apologies to the dozen or so schools I've left out; NC is saturated with colleges and universities-- not to mention the thousands of 18 and nearly 18 year olds who are graduating seniors from High Schools in Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem... as long as they're going to be 18 by November, I believe they are allowed to register and vote in the primary.)

like flies to honey...

Submitted by lambert on

It's not about fighting, amberglow. The Unity Pony just .... is. Don't you see? What's wrong with you?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by amberglow on

That's the whole problem with the party--and Congress-- as it stands now--not about fighting--when it should be!

(unity never included us queers, so fighting is what you get--each group he's insulted is a group of very devoted and very tough fighters he won't have helping him)

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Submitted by amberglow on

simply repeating false Obama talking points proven untrue in all recent primaries -- "... Yet for all of her primary night celebrations in the populous states, exit polling and independent political analysts offer evidence that Mr. Obama could do just as well as Mrs. Clinton among blocs of voters with whom he now runs behind. Obama advisers say he also appears well-positioned to win swing states and believe he would have a strong shot at winning traditional Republican states like Virginia.

According to surveys of Pennsylvania voters leaving the polls on Tuesday, Mr. Obama would draw majorities of support from lower-income voters and less-educated ones — just as Mrs. Clinton would against Mr. McCain, even though those voters have favored her over Mr. Obama in the primaries.

And national polls suggest Mr. Obama would also do slightly better among groups that have gravitated to Republican in the past, like men, the more affluent and independents, while she would do slightly better among women...."

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

He will get most of Hillary's supporters (me included.)

He won't get all of them, and the ones he will lose are the critical ones.

He won't get the swing voters in the battleground states.

"McGovern - Mondale - Dukakis - Obama

The few, the lame, the losers

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Submitted by BDBlue on

The reason white working class voters are such a problem for Obama is not that he won't win over those who are democrats. He'll win most. The problem is that an awful lot of the independent and republican voters that he needs to win look very similar to those white blue collar democrats he's losing to Clinton. The worry, at least my worry, is that if he can't convince more than 40% of the democrats in this group to vote for him, how is he ever going to win enough independents and republicans to carry Ohio or Pennsylvania. There aren't a lot more African Americans or urban liberals Obama can add among Republicans and independents.

And there are potentially troubling signs in the PA exit polls for Obama's ability to broaden his base in a general election. In Iowa, he won among voters who described themselves as "moderate". While he lost to Edwards among conservatives, he only trailed Clinton by one in this category. in New Hampshire, he barely lost the moderate and conservative democrats to Clinton (by 2 and 1 point respectively) and he won folks who went to church weekly. In contrast, in PA he lost every church-goer category, winning only among those who never attend services. He tied Clinton with self-identified liberals, but lost moderates by 20 points and conservatives by six. What's more, when ideology was further broken down into Very Liberal, Somewhat Liberal, Moderate, and Somewhat Conservative, the only category Obama won was Very Liberal.

It will be interesting to see how he does with white moderates and conservatives in Indiana and North Carolina, whether Pennsylvania is an anomaly or if Obama's recent controversies have driven moderates and conservatives away from him. The latter would be very bad in a general election.

See for the exit poll results cited and Jerome Armstrong's post at MyDD about some of these same points,

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

the OFB/Oborg, they think Obama will win all of the state's Kerry won, and will flip several red states to blue.

They don't GAF about Florida.

"McGovern - Mondale - Dukakis - Obama

The few, the lame, the losers

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Submitted by jeqal on

I think that this election has so many voters pooped it will be a miracle if they go to the polling booth in Nov to vote.

“If you help her rise, we will all rise together,” Maya Angelou

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Submitted by snow-moon on

I feel that I need to add-- after that long, detailed advertisement for the rallies-- that I am supporting Hillary in the primary.

But I live within walking distance of the concert site, and I sort of want to check out Arcade Fire. For FREE!)

Don't hate me.

My cat supports Obama.

If your cat has an Obama profile, be sure to send Miyagi a message!

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Why would I hate you for wanting to go to that? Heck, grab ten other Hillary supporters and you can all go. Obama has a lot of money, make him spend it on you. You're a voter.

(For the record, I probably wouldn't hate 90% of the Obama supporters who go either, it's that nasty 10%...)

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Submitted by snow-moon on

Thanks BDBlue.

I think it's probably more like that nasty 30%.

I'm on the inside, now.


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Submitted by BDBlue on

Feel free to use it at the Obama rally, snow-moon. But don't blow your cover. Heh.

Here's the article - I fucking hate Donna Brazile.

I have mixed feelings about James Carville, but it was fun watching him on CNN say - again - that he didn't take back calling Bill Richardson a Judas when Bill Richardson was also on the show (via satellite). And, wow, Obama should never, ever send Richardson out on his behalf. I grant you that I've become rather un-fond of Obama, but I don't think he's stupid. OTOH, Richardson is just a buffoon. The more I see him, the more I tend to agree with Carville because I find it unfathomable that Richardson would be capable of rising to such heights without the Clintons.

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Submitted by kangeroo on

can you explain why you have mixed feelings about carville? also, are you BDB from talkleft?

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Submitted by BDBlue on

I have mixed feelings about him because I think he's become almost a caricature of himself on some occasions and that his marriage to Mary Matalin has, at times, made him less effective. Having said that, when he's on, he can be terrific as he was smacking Bill Richardson around.

I am BDB from Talk Left. Hi!

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Submitted by amberglow on

and no one listened to (or voted for) him in the primaries, so why would we listen to him now?

Also, the only times he was noticed--it was for sticking up for and defending Hillary--not for anything connected to Obama or remotely resembling Obama's campaign or rhetoric.

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Submitted by Davidson on

I wish the Clinton campaign would follow Carville's lead* and run ads with Obama stating that he thought IN would be the "tie-breaker" to energize her voters to go out there and vote for her, work for her.

*Carville kept repeating Obama's "Indiana is a tie-breaker" line on CNN as he was beating Richardson upside the head.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

She probably does have to, but I don't think they'll say that because I don't think she has any intention of dropping out if she loses it with KY and WVA coming up. If she wins Indy, then of course, Obama's words will come back to haunt him. Heh.