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So, how exactly did Mike Huckabee's son David kill that dog, back in the day when he was a Boy Scout?

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Here's the barebones story of how 17-year-old Mike Huckabee's son, David, and 18-year-old Clayton Frady killed a dog when they were Boy Scouts, and got fired for it.* From the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in 1998 (as quoted in DogBlog):

[David Huckabee,] the younger son of Gov. Mike Huckabee and another teen were fired last month from jobs at a Boy Scout camp after the killing of a stray dog.

So, why were they fired? For violating Scout Law.

Marcal Young of Texarkana, scout executive of the Caddo Area Council that operates the camp where the dog was killed, said this week that two boys violated a Scout law, “A Scout is kind.”

So, how and why did David Huckabee (and Clayton Frady) kill the dog?

How did Huckabee and Frady kill the dog?
The original story isn't clear in the lead (the admissions and the details come as you read down). Still from the Democrat Gazette:

The dog was killed [passive voice] July 11 at Camp Pioneer near Hatfield.

But Scout executive Marcal Young and then-Governor Huckabee won't say how:

Both men declined to say how the dog had been killed or who did it.

Odd, that. However, there was additional contemporaneous material:

An anonymous, unconfirmed report describing a particular process of killing the dog and naming young Huckabee as a participant was sent by fax machine this week by an organization against cruelty to animals to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. That report was described by Young and the governor as inaccurate.

I believe the following is the faxed description of the "particular process." It's on a reputable site, Utopia Animal Rescue, which is run by, of all people, Kinky Freidman:

(Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Why do I believe that this post came from the fax? Because "litickabee" for "Huckabee" is exactly the kind of error you'd get if you ran a fax through your scanner to get it into your computer for posting.

Now, that's a pretty gruesome "particular process." Could it be true? Again, the adults don't give details. Frady's father says:

... the younger Frady helped "put it out of its misery."

But that doesn't say how Huckabee and Frady did it. However, in our earlier thread on killing dogs, consensus seemed to be that at least in the country dogs, when "put out of their misery," are generally shot, if no animal control officer is available.

Now, for whatever reason, Huckabee and Frady didn't decide to call animal control (or any of the 65 staff members at the Camp), and it's unlikely they were carrying guns. (There's no indication that they were getting merit badges in rifle or shotgun shooting that day.)

More plausibly, Huckabee and Fraly could simply have used the tools that came to hand: Their (Boy Scout) knives, for the throat-slitting; a (Boy Scout) belt or rope, for the hanging; and surface rocks, for the stoning. So there you are. Frankly, when I started this post, I thought that the Utopia Animal Rescue post just had to be over the top, but as soon as you ask yourself How did they kill the dog with no adult supervision and no gun, it becomes much, much more plausible.

No, I wouldn't call their actions "kind."

Why did Huckabee and Frady kill the dog?
Still from the Arkansas Gazette, Marcal Young:

“They felt it [the dog] was ill and what have you..."

[Young] would not say what the boys thought was wrong with the dog, but he said they did not suspect rabies.

The elder Frady (though not, oddly, the elder Huckabee) gives a little more detail--detail which contradicts Young's account:

The elder Frady said his son told him he came upon one or more Scouts who had the dog “hung over a limb and choking” [This is "ill"?] so the younger Frady helped “put it out of its misery.” [with, as I argue above, the tools that came to hand].

All of which looks like a rather transparent attempt to shift responsibility for starting the incident to other Scouts. After all, Huckabee and Frady were responsible for the other Scouts; they were on the camp staff. So the camp kids somehow got away from supervision and hung a dog up on a tree? In any case, clearly Young gave this story no credence, since putting an animal in agony "out of its misery is at least arguably "kind," but Huckabee and Frady were not kind.

And indeed, torturing an animal to death is not kind.

Why?

Why do people torture animals? I wish I knew.

Why this story is important

We already know that Republicans are kinked about animals; there are more than enough data points:

We’ve got Rick Santorum’s obsession with “man on dog” sex, we’ve got Bill “Hello Kitty” Frist stealing cats from the pound, treating them like pets, and only then dissecting them, we’ve got George Felix Allen “shoving” a severed deer’s head into a mailbox, we’ve got Bush himself blowing up frogs by shoving firecrackers up their ass and lighting the fuse, we've got one Janet Rowland comparing gay marriage to a man marrying a sheep, and of course, we've got Willard Mitt Romney strapping his dog Seamus on top of his car until a "brown liquid" ran down the back window.

And now we've got the son of likeable Mike Huckabee, Republican candidate for President, killing a dog using a "particular process" that was, to say the least, not "kind." Makes you wonder how these guys bring up their kids, doesn't it?

Here in The Mighty Corrente Building we view Republican and Conservative abuse of power as a seamless garment. It is not a coincidence that the Party that normalized torture for humans is also the party of many (including Dear Leader) who abuse animals. Not to mention pages. And boys.

NOTE Oh, and this wouldn't be a Mike Huckabee story if it weren't for the petty personal retribution. The Arkansas Gazette story (April 27, 2007, via Nexis) on David Huckabee getting stopped for taking a gun through airport security has this little nugget:

Allegations in [the dog-killing] incident played a role in the resignation five months later of the director of the state police. John Bailey quit in December 1998 after learning that the governor had lost confidence in him for several reasons, including because Bailey did not make clear to prosecutors that state police typically don't investigate animal deaths.

Yes, but maybe Bailey didn't make that "clear" because it wasn't true. From the original Gazette-Democrat story:

Polk County Sheriff Mike Oglesby said neither he nor his deputies had heard of the incident. A complaint** should have been made, he said.
Prosecuting Attorney Tim Williamson of Mena said cruelty to animals is a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail.

"We regularly charge cruelty to animals. That's kind of my pet peeve," he said.

Nice. I think Huckabee will fit right into the Village, once they come to know him a little better.

NOTE * Bud, from Legal, insists that I add the word "allegedly" here.

NOTE ** Interestingly, the Utopia link includes the names and numbers of Arkansas officials to file complaints with. It would be interesting to find out if those numbers were, in fact, called. Eh? [We learn today that Arkansas officials were bombarded with calls.

NOTE Thanks very much to Shane-O (in order of appearance), Sarah, and farmer for links and articles on this issue. Hat tip to Digby for getting me started on looking into the story, and answering the question asked in the headline.

NOTE Of course, there's plenty, plenty more.

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Submitted by MJS on

One must proclaim allegiance to the transcendent deity who is not manifest, and do real harm to the animal who is manifest. I am truly tired of the fake game of loving god.

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If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we are backing our own side in the struggle for existence, it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reason.

C.S. Lewis

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I really like the part about cutting up capitalists. Given the misery that has been inflicted upon the many of late by the few, the capitalist, the proud.

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Submitted by bringiton on

This year’s Huxmas card, making the rounds.

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Dog killer, illegal businessman and petulant spoiled twit David is standing center, between sister Sarah and half-a-bubble off plumb brother John Mark. Wife Jethrine Janet and Big Mike have a firm grip on the throat and leg of family dog Ranger; maybe he’d heard about David’s hobbies and was trying to make a run for it.

Personally I think the vertical stripes were a good choice, makes all the difference.

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in the activities of any candidate's offspring or other family members.

I didn't like it when Rush picked on Chelsea, I don't really care for comments about Jenna and Not-Jenna (okay, I didn't say i was immune to it, and they did campaign for Daddikins which puts them into the fray, but still) and don't think it does any good to go there with Huck's kids.

He's the one running and God knows, you should pardon the expression, he has enough flaws in his own right that we can work on bringing to wider public attention.

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For the most part I can agree with you, except that when it comes to children of candidates committing heinous and illegal acts, it does fall to the parenting skills of the individual. If they can't lead their family, how can they lead our country.

Chelsea was a good kid, the Bush twins are not terrible, but 'dog lynching' that then gets 'covered up' by Daddybee, I think that is worth noting and investigating further.

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If this is the worst you can come up with to attempt to discredit Mike Huckabee, then by all means, flail away!
As for your righteous anger concerning an unconfirmed process with an unknown context, how would you compare that with your vapid 'wit' in mocking another man's family that you really know nothing about?
And they wonder why we want school vouchers. Sheesh.

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"Personally I think the vertical stripes were a good choice, makes all the difference."

Submitted by lambert on

contra1988:

Where's the slander? You see the sources, you see the logic. Defeat them, if you can.

I think your trouble must really be with the Scout leader. He's the one who fired their asses for killing the dog and not being "kind." I suppose, because Huckabee was a televangelist, you'd prefer that his kids be allowed to torture animals?

In any case, this is by no means "the worst." There's plenty more. In fact, as far as "the worst" goes, I'd say that releasing a rapist and murderer to rape and murder again, because a passel of Christianist anti-Clinton conspiracy theorist loons ginned up a fake controversy in the pages of the New York Post is far, far worse. Then there's the fake degree, the RJ Reynolds thing.... I just don't think we've scratched the surface.* And I still want to know what Hucklebee thinks about the Southern Baptist policies on child abuse.... No, there's plenty, plenty more.

And, as the saying goes, the controversy is "out there," so it might as well be dealt with.

"You" may want vouchers, but if you think I'm paying for your madrassa with my tax dollars, you can think again.

NOTE * Huckabee, for some reason, seems to leave behind an awful lot of people who are anxious to tell the whole truth about the man. I wonder why?

NOTE Xan, I accept your complete disinterest and I wish the world were different. But here's a guy running for office, essentially, because he's a successful televangelist. And we'll be hearing about the family values anytime soon. So it's important to puncture that "nice guy" image our famously free press is working so hard to construct for the man now before it freezes in place. Especially when the story is true. Finally, Corrente has been covering animal rescue issues for a long time. This fits right into that, and why we would cover that. Mortification of the flesh, and all that. Especially the flesh of others.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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Well, I wouldn't be pist at just one person. Two kids killing a dog is nothing compared to the mass killing of other species everyone does just by continuing to live their "modern lifestyle" everyday. Your community for example killed hundreds of animals in the making and worse ruined hundreds of future animals habits. As human population goes up other species populations go down (we slash and burn forests to plant crops, we destroy areas due to mining, pollute, and consume). Species are becoming more rare and there are a lot that are projected to go extinct in the upcoming years. The current human population stands at 6.5 billion and is projected to reach 10 billion by 2050 where it will reach its limit. I AM NOT defending there actions, but rather pointing out that we are no better people.

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Xan, you have a point but in this instance there's more to the story. It goes to Huckabee's methods of dealing with moral issues. There was nothing wrong with Chelsea Clinton, and there has not been to this day. Works hard, solid citizen. When the Bush twins aren't breaking the law, they're pretty much left alone by the press and everyone else. But this bunch.....

Jethrine Janet has been a source of great amusement in and around Little Rock for a long time, she's a blustering, pompous, rude and greedy bigot, the Woman Behind the Man and she's coming your way. She's just heading out now to campaign, get to know her a little and then get back to me on whether or not she's a worthwhile issue. The boys are both full-time in the campaign as staff, makes them as much of a legitimate target as anyone else's senior staff, and they have their own histories that can't be ignored - a long ways from underage sneaking into a bar to torturing animals for fun. The daughter I didn't say anything negative about, she just happens to be in the picture.

Huckabee and his wife have been covering up for those boys for many years, as much as they could, and attacking anyone who didn't participate; he fired the Chief of the State Police because the Chief wasn't vocal enough in trying to bury the dog-killer story. You can't run on family values without having your family's values as part of the campaign. Huckabee put them out there and in this case they're worth a long hard look. Except maybe the daughter, who seems near enough to normal.

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i'm never glad to see its true face, and i've had far too many occasions to do so in the last few years.

i don't think i want to know more, even as i'm sure i will at time passes. but i agree with the above point: he works for the campaign (in a senior position, no less), he's fair game.

who else wonders if the unpretty nature of huck and his folk will tank him, in the end? not that i think he'll be allowed to win, he's too dangerous for the villagers, i think. but i can see how they're going to tank him- mitt and rudi look svelte and sexy on teevee next to the bulemic barbershop quartet up there. this year it's going to be the "seam scream."

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Interesting that Romney has brought out the negative things about Huck.

Negativity does sell.

I have a question --

I just went to Mike's website and at this time he has collected $1,116,249 in donations.

Currently at Ron Paul's site he has collected in real time $11,493,478 and what about the next BOMB tomorrow.

My question is how is Mike going to keep going with so little money?

I first heard about Junior's dog torture shenanigans several months ago, around the same time that Huck Jr. tried to smuggle a loaded Glock onto an airplane. Gotta wonder about the family values of a guy whose son is obviously a sociopath. At least, that's my take on it.

Meanwhile, this country turns a blind eye to human torture, even tacitly endorses it. So don't look for this story or the one about Mitt Romney strapping his dog to the roof for an 11-hour drive to raise any eyebrows.

There is nothing like a presidential election to bring out the most insidious and hilarious slapstick and totally sick moments and attackers from the ranks of the professional proletariat. The entire country is potentially swift boat material and the platform from which to launch can be a blog comment! Everyone gets fed and in turn, feeds the frenzy that is our democracy. A trillion dollar entertainment industry. Dogs, drunks, God and divorce all play leading roles. Long live the Republic!

Submitted by lambert on

Thanks for your bracing dose of cyncicism, Matt.

However, I do note that neither you, not the other Huckabee defenders on the thread, seem able to engage directly with the evidence and reasoning presented.

Why, I wonder? Can't handle the truth?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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Not only have you presented the facts, but pro-Huck commenters seem unwilling to face them.

There are all kinds of reasons why.

Most importantly, remember that Governor Huckabee was quite eager to take aim at the family affairs of Rudy Giuliani.

Shouldn't Mike Huckabee be held to the same standards? Or is he, yet again, divine?

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

Submitted by lambert on

That's what they wanted, and I hope they're going to end up being very sorry they got what they wanted.

Where's the link on Huckabee taking aim on Giuliani's family? Not that Rudy's affairs haven't been all over the news anyhow, in great detail.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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But as an
example:

“If Republicans in this election vote in such a way as to say a candidate’s personal life and personal conduct in office doesn’t matter,” he [Huckabee] declared, “then a lot of Christian evangelical leaders owe Bill Clinton a public apology.”

Politics is like spoiled Sashimi - it all comes back...

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

Submitted by lambert on

Great quote, Shane-oh. In fact, I'm putting it in the sidebar rotation right now...

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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I can't help it but as soon as I saw that picture I thought they were a stereotypical 'bad Southern, racist' family from a Hollywood B movie about the south in the 50's. Whoever ok'd that shot for public use needs glasses. If that had been a picture of my family, I would have destroyed the negative and burnt any printed copies. It desperately needs to be photo shopped.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Canadian Rick Mercer does a comedy interview program called “Dumb Americans.” He traveled to Little Rock in 2001 to chat with the locals, including then-Governor Huckabee, about the mythical Canadian National Igloo.

Said the Toronto Star:

“You just don't want to believe that a leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, two steps from power in the free world, really thought that Canada had a national igloo.”

But yes, he did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxbyblw79EY

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You like one senate sage once said.. "There are different ways of doing it. It's like swimming, freestyle, backstroke. The waterboarding could be used almost to define some of the techniques that our trainees are put through, but that's beside the point. It's not being used."

this delicious morsel was served up to you by Senator Kit Bond.

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This article is very poorly written. I think you could have cut out about 8 paragraphs of speculative bull and gotten to the point - that you don't know any more than anybody else.

Also, mama huck needs to stop making meat loaf for the boys.

Submitted by lambert on

And for your concrete suggestions about which 8 paragraphs to remove.

Oh, wait....

Of course, we could just wait for our famously free press, or simply allow the Huckabee campaign organization to bring the stone tablets down from the mountain. However, until then, I guess we'll just have to use the tools of evidence and reasoning -- as indeed your namesake, Socrates, would have wished us to do. Sorry you feel differently.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

please, let's call them what they are. indolent, arrogant, drunken, spoiled, and lacking in awareness of anyone who isn't on their party list. do you remember when one of them stuck out her tongue at protesters and the press as she was whisked away in a taxpayer supported limo? how mature. yeah, chelsea did that a lot- not.

patriotboy did a great bit about the younger bush clan members. from running people over with cars to getting shitfaced in public and puking all over themselves, to avoiding military service- the bush family offspring are no better than the older generation, and perhaps worse.

seriously, i get upset anytime people say that there is any sort of similarity between the twins and chelsea. i'm not really that invested in it as a question, but the differences are so huge. let's not be like the lazy press and treat them as if they were the same. the twins are useless, drunken wastrels, and that's just plain fact, when you look at all of their "accomplishements" since daddy was selected to occupy the WH.

Submitted by lambert on

That we know of, of course.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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Instead of tryn to kill a poor inocent dog, why dont these people step up to someone there own size instead of being lifeless cowards then we'll see whos the real man

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Come to think of it, Hucklebee's face does kinda look like that...

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

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Santorum may have been an idiot on everything else he did, but he was a good friend to animal rescue organizations in PA. (God, it just about kills me to write anything nice about that man.) He went after puppy mills and helped to enact legislation that made sure that animals were treated better than ever before.

You know it's bad when you can say that Santorum would be a better choice than Huckabee. For the puppies. Won't someone think of the puppies?

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the whole family is gross. Shame on David for killing another poor innocent animal..heaven knows he probably eats more than his share of them

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I am a Huckabee supporter and a former Humane Society employee. To do what David Huckabee supposedly did is evidence of a mental disorder. I cannot speak to the studies and reports to document my claim but I know full well that there is a slew of published scholarly literature speaking to this kind of mentality. It sickens me. But I also have two children and am a devoted, though certainly not perfect father. I would never want to be dismissed summarily because of my son's actions though I would take accountability for them to some extent as well.

But isn't the bigger picture here the sickeningly mild punishments for clearly disturbed and heartless human beings who perform these unspeakable acts? One who is able to torture an animal has an infinitely greater chance of making the jump to human subjects. Punishment for animal cruelty should be swift and severe--if for no other reason than to prevent such attacks from being carried out on other people.

If you can't teach your children right from wrong, how can you lead a nation?

No need for apologizing. If his son is found insane, then I'll apologize. Right now, he committed a felony and everyone's covering for him.

Also, the reeeeeeeally big picture people need to realize is that Huckabee is a Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) puppet. He's given speeches to them and has recently mentioned that he follows the ideals of their leaders.

Ladies and gentlemen, the CFR has one goal, literally: to end the US. And they're awful close, too. They're planning on dissolving the US, Canada and Mexico and replacing them with the North American Union. Look it up. Do it. Then ask yourself why you've never heard of it.

The CFR (and other groups...) make decisions for our country in separate, secret meetings. Then, they disperse and push them on the public. These decisions are not made with the people in mind. The CFR is made up of high-ranking businessmen and legislators, so they're working for each other.

Anyone that is a member - Republican or Democrat - will push the intentions of the CFR on the public. Period. Therefore, if Huckabee is elected, goodbye US.

Who else, running for president, is a member of the CFR, and therefore will NOT pose any difference? Huckabee, Romney, Giuliani, McCain, Thompson, Clinton, Obama, Edwards and Richardson.

You CAN'T vote for any of these people, or this will be the last election that you vote in, more than likely.

I enjoyed your article on Mike Huckabee's son and thought you might like this video I came across on youtube:

The Exorcism of Britney Spears by Mike Huckabee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ss2wte2s_E

2008 Presidential Candidate and Baptist Preacher, Governor Mike Huckabee has stopped by to visit Britney at her bedside and help her find the Lord in her heart. Only to do so he is going to have to perform an Exorcism -just like in the horror classic The Exorcist. Featuring comedian Dante from Last Comic Standing.

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