If you have "no place to go," come here!

"See my website" is so, so stupid

"See my website" is just not an adequate answer, to anything, and it wouldn't be even if the site were guaranteed to be in synch with the mailers, the speeches, the interviews, and the Internet trolling, which of course it isn't.

We're electing a person that we're connecting with, for good or ill. And the way we connect is through the spoken, (quasi-)spontaneous word.

Through rhetoric.

Through talking points. Like "Morning again in American." Or "It's the economy, stupid." Or "Read my lips, no new taxes."

We're not electing a web site.

The best the web site can do is give some vague indication of where the candidate stands on policy, and whether they've got the smarts to hire good techies. And for policy, I'd argue that the track record, the contributor list, and above all the hires provide far better indications of where the candidates are going.

So could Obama's supporters, and Obama's ______ ers, please stop with the "See my website" talking point? It's just silly.

It's like an empty suit saying "But wait! The suit sitting in the Barcalounger back at my house isn't empty!" So why isn't that suit talking to me, then?

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

is a refrain you hear from the media gasbags all the time.

And its true. He is better.

You give anyone a year to memorize the "power point" version of "their own" proposal and policies positions, let them read them off a teleprompter for a year just to get used to saying the stuff, and eventually they are gonna be able to look like they know what they're talking about in a debate.

Hillary is sort of the fun house mirror version of Obama. She too has had to learn the power point version of her own proposals and policies, but because she knows them inside and out -- and would get lost in the weeds unless she disciplined herself to stick to the talking points.

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Submitted by Linda on

The "see the website crowd" is the group that can't really articulate what Obama is all about. It is really a lazy shorthand isn't it?

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Submitted by corinne on

That was the answer a year ago whenever I asked the question of what he was all about: "Read his books."

My answer was always "I don't read candidates' books."

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Submitted by janittdott on

I got into a similar argument with an obamacrat who
in answer to some rather simple question, said:

"well, you'll have to read his book"

and I said:

"what? I have to read his BOOK to figure out who my president is?
Is he going to send his BOOK to congress and heads of state
and every citizen of the country?
does the guy owner's manual?"


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Submitted by koshembos on

What a joke. Obama, almost like a criminal, has an alibi - his wegsite/issues.

Wellstone and Carey McWilliams (a previous editor of The Nations and California lefty icon) are turning in their graves. I believe they didn't have an issues section.

Submitted by jawbone on

nominees. I did not read each entry, but there was no heading for Judiciary.

I googled for info from speeches, articles, or press conferences--very little. He was against Janice Brown (hooray!), but learned he was considering voting for Roberts based on his intellect until his chief of staff talked him out of it.

Obama is almost a stealth candidate. Deliberately? To appeal to "independents," uncommitted, Republicans? Strange.

And I agree wholeheartedly we need to know as much as possible about the people he as assembled as his advisers. Econ people looking a bit dicey so far. Scary even.

Submitted by lambert on

Again, Sacramento Bee:

Obama basic training
Volunteers told to share personal conversion stories with voters - not policy views.

[Obama trainer] Mack wanted to drill home one of the campaign's key strategies: telling potential voters personal stories of political conversion.

She told the volunteers that potential voters would no doubt confront them with policy questions. Mack's direction: Don't go there. Refer them to Obama's Web site, which includes enough material to sate any wonk.


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Submitted by CMike on

Maia Szalavitz at Huffington Post has looked at one page of Sen. Obama's website and writes:

While no politician is perfect on every issue, Obama's support of the Byrne grant program to fight methamphetamine-- which is prominently highlighted on his website-- is deeply troubling. This program is opposed by both Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform and the American Conservative Union on the right-- and the ACLU and George Soros' Open Society Institute on the left...

The best-known Byrne disaster was a mass arrest in Tulia, Texas in 1999. In that tiny Texas town of 5,000 people, 16% of the black population was arrested for crack-dealing. Of those arrested, 40 of 46 were African American. No drugs or money were found during the raid and there were no audio or videotapes to corroborate the charges, just the word of one official-- but nonetheless, dozens were convicted and given jail terms of up to 90 years. Many innocent people served years in prison before finally being freed after the officer was discredited.

The problems weren't limited to just one Texas town. At least three other Texas communities had similar, racially biased and equally flawed prosecutions resulting from these task forces...

Tell me why I'm thinking that if he were to be ensconced in the White House, Barack Obama will be unlikely to expend a lot of political capital serving the needs of a certain minority group?

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Submitted by A. Citizen on like Joey the Liarman edited them. Well, then again, maybe he did. Honestly, there is stuff in there that makes him sound like Bush talking about 'Defeatocrats'.

Some chatter tonight about whether Senator 'The One' can actually win a bunch O' Red States. Heh....kinda late to be thinkin' about that Mr. Dead Loser Caucus and Dead Corpse Committee on Change.....

Ain't it?

A. Citizen

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Submitted by lambert on

That was awful. That was the Jena of its day, except worse.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Sarah on

But Tom Coleman lost an(other) appeal last week. He should be heading off to do his time pretty directly now.