Q. What do you call a woman who is Governor of Alaska?
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Submitted by vastleft on Tue, 09/02/2008 - 10:29am
A. Slut.
The great feminist Stephanie Miller just heard that Sarah Palin plays the flute.
"So," she wittily rejoined, "she's good with her mouth." Her male cohost returned to the riff after speculating about her speaking in tongues.
I guess in the postpartisan world, it would be wrong to spend too much time criticizing Repub policies, so misogyny is the new high road, when you think about it.

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How to criticize Sarah Palin
As usual, the Howler shows how it's done.
Policy not party!
Either That
or the last bastion for stupid. lazy people. I've come to believe that misogyny has been so prevalent because it's easy. They didn't know the difference between Clinton's and Obama's positions, so Hillary was a power grabbing, lying bitch (and notice how many of some of those same people seem shocked! shocked! by Obama's rightward "turn" since then).
There are plenty of reasons to hate Sarah Palin (here are a few), but why bother when simply calling her a slut is so much easier. Because to criticize her on other grounds means you have to work and then make a political argument.
This is where the last 20 years has led - most people on both sides are either too lazy or too stupid (or both) to make a political argument.
And all this after Obama said "tone it down" to the blogs
Tier One: Obama floats serenely above it all, issuing mild reproofs after the damage is done (RFK smear).
Tier Two: What we see see and on the "progressive" blogs.
Tier Two, of course, knows that Obama's reproof isn't serious. If it had been, there would be consequences. There have been none.
It's a proven campaign architecture that the Rs have used for years; High Load, Low Road is a proven winner. And if outcomes are indeed all that matter, why not use it? Have we started faking photographs yet? I mean, in the general; it was already done in the primaries, against a Democrat by Democrats. Sorry;
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
The irony, of course
is that the Republicans, mere days after the introduction of Sarah Palin, are already doing a better job (weak, though it may be) of highlighting and calling out the most basic sexism than the Democrats ever did.
Of course, we have to remember that what we think is Democratic misogyny is just a ruse designed to gain power so that they can help women and protect them from the big, bad Supreme Court. Don't you worry your pretty little head, the Democratic Party is the new Daddy Party and Daddy knows best.
[Stomps feet] Let's talk about issuuuuuues...
And, inconveniently, when you examine the by-now extremely familiar liberal complaint list about Palin's horrible ideas and policies (you know, 'substance'), a good half of them are things Obama has been saying for months we could/should set about compromising - oh, sorry - finding "common ground" on.
Oil drilling, mixing church and state, saving the babies, gettin' more spirichual...
I love low attacks against Republicans as much as the next guy, and wouldn't mind a few effective and unfair ones, but, "effective" kinda rules out picking on things that a huge chunk of the country is struggling with every day, like working families with a new infant, or finding your 17yo daughter pregnant.
I don't think these people get out much.
I agree with you vehemently
But in order to do that, we're going to have to remove ourselves from the horse-race, because the toxic discourse to be found there always reverts to what we're seeing with Palin, which is exactly what we saw with Hillary.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
I have CDS derangement syndrome
She's 17, he's 18?
If this were Chelsea Clinton, wolf-pack leader Lindsey Graham would have been howling about the rape of a young girl by an older man [no matter the local laws] and snarlingly calling for vicious congressional hearings about the fitness of the loathed Clintons to be parents.
It's the hypocrisy, stupid. ARR-R-R-R-RGH!
ugh ugh ugh
I hope there is karma, somewhere, sometime, for execrable people like Ms. Miller.
"There are plenty of reasons to hate Sarah Palin (here are a few), but why bother when simply calling her a slut is so much easier."
We have a winner!
what's most transparent about all this PDS is
that it proves she's a real threat.
After all, Obama didn't run on issues and has no experience and has run on personal attributes and biography--Obama supporters attacking Palin personally this hard just continues to reinforce his own weaknesses -- and he's at the top of the ticket.
Even the Quayle mockery was never like this--VP choices are supposed to get trashed, and then you move on and focus on the top of the ticket and on issues.
Hi, VL
nice to see you're getting as full up with this garbage as the rest of us, despite your break!
I just wonder: what will Dems and so-called "progressives" like Miller say when Malia and Sascha Obama are subjected to the same innuendo, dirty jokes, and pawing through of panty-drawers that Sarah and Bristol Palin are getting now? What will they say when the right wing righteously reminds them of their egregious conduct?
Am I really a member of the Beating Up Girl Children party? I gotta go register as Independent, if that's the case.
confessions from the low road
i think i've managed to avoid purely sexist attacks on palin, and i've tried to stay away from saying much about the family. i have real sympathy for the pregnant daughter as well as the rest of them, although i did joke that perhaps when this is all done, there will be five new atheist pro-choice progressives in alaska.
but as i said elsewhere, sometimes i just can't help myself, and the bad puns and jokes come flying off the keyboard with a very unPC sort of glee. i think in my case, it's the effect of 16 years of pent up frustration and rage, that the SCLM and many in amurka were gleefully happy to dissect any dem family/sex scandal, real or imagined, while continually ignoring the very real, nasty, hypocritical, perverted and criminal ones on the rethug side. palin is just too good to be true, from the perspective of a sex-driven naughty blogger like me.
the simple fact is that palin is proof of all the things we've always said re: abstinance only education, religious hypocrisy, republican lying and fumbling around the truth, corruption, cronyism...she's a virtual icon for everything that's not to like about wingerism. and now she is in the middle of a firestorm that is at least in part of her own making. and for once, the media is going along with the correct program, and the more they talk about it, the more people are motivated to dig up additional scandal and dissect it publically.
i did a google search this morning,, and came up with well over a million "palin pregnancy" hits. several tens of thousands for "palin moose," lots more for the troopergate thingee. people *want* to talk about this, and the media recognizes that there is ratings/money to be made from keeping it alive, esp in the face of the carnival of errors/snoozefest that is the RNC convention. so i just can't help failing to feel badly about that.
are there more serious things to talk about? of course. will endlessly joking about palin make my life better? probably not. but as others are fond of pointing out, most americans have been unwilling to think, act, or even skim-read information about the disaster that is the Bush regime and what it guarantees for our shared future. basically, i'm at the point of "don't look a gift horse in the mouth."
if palinmania drives a stake thru republican chances this fall, i just can't be sorry about it. some of you who'd planned on voting for him may be, but to me, this is karmic payback and i don't want it to end any time soon. elsewhere, folks were discussing ancient elections in which dems had had to back off a veep choice late into the game, and of how that effectively killed their chances at victory. mccain is in one of the most beautiful lose-lose situations in the history of american politics. i just can't be sorry about that.
i agree that the "ease" of sexism is a part of why we're seeing so much of it, tho. again, although i'm sure i'm not going to totally succeed in avoiding it, i'm willing to do the Hard Work of Real Comedy, and stick to jokes about what an incompetent boob mccain seems now, and of the trainwreck of error and corruption and hypocrisy that is palin. bring it on.
CD, do you really think this "drives a stake"?
seriously?
Evidence would say it's the opposite--that whoever the media trashes gets more support--and that the fauxtrage the right is having over blogs obsessing about her and her family, etc, only helps the GOP and McCain.
it wasn't the Kos posts, but the right's reaction to them
that made this such a big deal--it wasn't the sexism on our side, but the other side screaming about it.
It's the narrative!
Just with new names in the blanks, and the Ds filling them in. Five years of blogging when the Rs did this, on the silly and false assumption that it was bad, not just bad because the other side did it. Silly me. Never cynical enough.
Random tests in the small town say it's "working" because people are talking about it.
Another reason to exit the horse race. It's "easy" to take a shit, too, nature designed us for it. That doesn't mean it's pleasant to watch, or that the results are pleasant to live with.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Beware the cloth coat...
...and the cute little dog named Checkers.
Because the likelihood of Palin going the "humble but righteous indignation" route -- and gaining enormous public sympathy as a result -- is extremely high.
already happening--the entire GOP is
now rallying around her.
Nothing ever energizes them more than pretending they're the poor victims.
Slip sliding away
Maybe blogging just brings out the worst in people.
Maybe confiding it all to my dog is actually better for my head.
Whither Corrente?
Policy not party!
here's a new narrative--
which also aims at the right places-- Cheneyizing McCain-- Fafblog-- Gamechanger -- http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/game...
"... Last week ended with a bang with the announcement of his fresh-faced new running mate Sarah Palin, who should provide McCain many more years of extended existence through gradual consumption of her life force, and, if needed, a new host body should his current vessel fail him. ..."
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LOL, "a new host body"
Now that is snark from the old school.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Cheneyizing him is a good idea--
if issues aren't going to matter at all that is. (but they can Cheneyize Biden, too)
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no, they can't, for soap opera reasons.
Part of Biden's narrative is that he lost his wife and one of his children just before he was sworn in for his first term, to a drunk driver's collision.
They Cheneyize Biden, he starts talking about what he and his boys have undergone, in life. It's near Edwards strength, without the sexual scandal.
edwards strength, without the sex scandal
i've been thinking that the main requirement for nomination in the dem party this time around was 'absolutely no sex scandals' but until you mentioned it, i hadn't thought about the added element of pathos; obama's single mom, biden's wife and child killed....
it's NBC Olympics coverage applied to elections--
ugh.
(heartwarming and touching backstories of overcoming tragedy to touch our hearts and keep the viewers interested)
That NYDaily News URL
Yeah, I know it's the NY Daily news pushing my emotional buttons, but I gotta say, I'm on board with "Come on. ENOUGH Already!"
Look at how young that kid is (the father is pictured in the story). Read the first two 'graphs of the story, and it's just a simple, thousand-times told middle-class American tale which happens to parents of every walk of life.
Do you really want to lead your life based on what you think Lindsey Graham would do?. (Especially when a hunky 18 year old hockey player is involved - WHOA! - Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal...)
LG: sadly my senator
Oh I was just reminiscing about the Clinton impeachment hearings, because that was Graham's modus operandi. On the news daily his outraged moralizing came pouring out of him like "woulda-coulda-shoulda" effluence from a drunk. In fact I often thought he was intoxicated, so unable was I to believe such daily outrage originated from someone who was sober.
Somehow, I knew the NYDN url was gonna come back and bite me, but again I was dreaming about the past. Snobby hippy peacenik, I was, in the 60s/70s riding Manhattan's subways--seeking drugs, sex and rock and roll. Never deigning to actually buy the hard hat/love 'it or leave it preferred daily, it was with a guilty pleasure I read the headlines.
So when it comes to punishing unrepentant neocons and hypocrites in my hood, get outta my peacenik way and lemme at 'em!
;-)
amberglow: yes, i do. here's why
republicans can spin anything at all to their advantage, thanks to their buddies in the media, except being mocked. effectively mocked. watercooler fodder mocked. sexism is likely driving why this is a big mess that won't go away, but america is filled with sexists, after all. frankly, i just don't see mccain being able to overcome his ticket being the butt of all the jokes and sneers palin is generating.
i'm going out to deal with some nonblogging people. let me ask around and i'll get back on it.
Quayle still became VP--
just a reminder.
"frankly, i just don’t see mccain being able to overcome his
ticket being the butt of all the jokes and sneers palin is generating."
gotta disagree. unlike dems, repubs aren't apologists who are afraid to stick up for their own. americans want perceived conviction and guts in politicians, and republicans have them; there's no way we could've gotten an imbecile like bush in office otherwise.
already, we see mccain's camp is speaking out on sexism, which is just fan-f'ing-tastic after seeing obama prove for a year that he doesn't give a shit. the dnc handed that narrative over to mccain on a silver platter, and you can bet the gop will have the balls (so to speak) to capitalize on it.
Republicans Relish Pitting Palin vs. Obama on Experience
-- http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?pa...
"... Republicans say they welcome a discussion of experience in the presidential debate.
“Any effort to attack Palin on experience raises the comparision with Obama, and she’s had more experience in the real world doing real things than Obama,” ..."
Irresponsible to speculate?
NO! It would be irresponsible not to! Something calling itself a "Jay McDonough" doing something he calls "write about politics from a progressive perspective", at something called "Progressive Politics Examiner" writes this:
Ok, I surrender.
I promise I will vote for Obama if I never have to:
1. Hear another word about a 17-year old's pregnancy,
2. Hear any more "speculations" about whether a 17-year old girl is her brother's mother,
3. Hear any more about inexperienced women governors who are nothing more than "arm candy",
4. Hear any more demands for "obstetrician records".
Is it a deal?
I'm sorry I just can't get it on with Chi-dyke's karmic backlash theory. Not when the "vessel" (so to speak) of that backlash is an innocent 17-year old who is guilty of not much more than choosing the wrong parents and exercising her personal choice to work out her "youthful exuberance". Not to put too fine a point on it, would this convo even be happening if the 17-year old in question was a boy rather than girl? Even if true (oops, now I did it, this will come back to bite I predict), what is the damn take away here? Mom seeks to protect daughter and family? I don't give a rat's ass if every single blog and newspaper in the world was "speculating" on this. It still wouldn't make it clean or less ghoulish to have a million grubby fingers reaching out of the sewer like zombie ghouls for the details.
Don't get me wrong, I have rubbed my hands together with glee during other recent incidents (Senator "Wide Stance" ho ho!), but this one, I just can't do it. Sorry, insufficiently jaded I guess.
Anyway, I was able to withstand all of the horrendous garbage thrown at Clinton. Clinton, after all being a big girl, is able to take care of herself. Can't do it with this one and I throw in the towel. I'll do whatever you ask PB1.0, just please, please stop.
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I'd Be More Inclined to Get on The Karmic Backlash Train
if it didn't mean more misogyny, sexism and a desire to control women's reproductive choices. I know CD doesn't support any of that, but I cannot separate the sexism during the primary from the sexism now because it's coming from the same sources. Now, maybe it's all just politically convenient and they don't really mean to set up a system where women are constantly held to a standard that isn't applied to men, but I'm not sure that's a bug and not a feature. Sexism against any one woman hurts all of us. The sneering at Palin isn't just going to hurt Palin (and by extension McCain).
In this post-partisan world what we should be doing is looking to see how women can use this situation to better the situation for women, political parties be damned because it's quite clear that neither are particularly interested in getting rid of sexism, they're too busy using it as a political weapon. I have a post I want to do about how women can use the Palin nomination for their benefit (not by voting for her, btw) and how right now we're taking this incredibly narrow partisan view of the situation when what we should be doing is using it to make society better for women regardless of what the DNC and RNC want. There are dynamics here that can be of use to progressives and feminists if we'd lift our heads up a bit and see it. The big picture may be awful (the end of the world and all that), but it doesn't mean there aren't gains to be made even amidst the awfulness as I hope to be able to find the time to explain in the next few days, RL permitting.