Progressive Blogosphere 2.0: How would PB 2.0 have covered Hurricane Ike?
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[UPDATE I'm leaving this sticky in the hopes that people will leave more Hurricane Ike-related local material here. I mean, we have to learn that 2 million were without power in OH through a sportwriter's column? How weird is that? And in TX, Can you go home? on the front page. So, if you have friends who were affected by Ike, or friends of friends, to six degrees of separation, try to use your network to find out what happened and what's happening, and post results, and also linky goodness, here. Thanks! --lambert P.S. The other thing that would be nice is a link to somebody doing systematic before and after, perhaps via NOAA satellite data versus Google earth -- inland, as well as the coast.]
Maybe I don't follow the news closely enough, but only email from dogemperor and some commenters alerted me to my complete ignorance of the effects of Hurricane Ike.
Last thing I remember, Ike hadn't hit NOLA, and was heading off in the general direction of Crawford, TX (a consummation devoutly to be wished). And the next thing I knew, millions were out of power as far north as Cincinnati, OH, and the Houston Chronicle is running ads from Dillard's saying "Yes! We're open!"
And checking around the progs on the A list, I see that my complete ignorance is either shared -- or they don't think the story is important enough to write about. Palin Palin Spain Palin Spain Palin Spalin Spainlin Painslin PaisleyLinPiaoPaysMeJayZ... Anyhow.
"Millions without power" (great metaphor). Now, I'd expect our famously free press to ignore a story like that -- and, granted, this has been a very exciting week -- but clearly behavior like that is neither liberal nor progressive. Quelle surprise.
When we bootstrap PB 2.0, is there reason to think we could do better? Both in covering the story and for the American people? I would say yes, and for several reasons:
1. The principle ofMR SUBLIMINAL Sorry, VastLeftparty invariance (hat tip, gqmartinez. At a minimum, party invariance clears the PainsLin static away*, so we don't have to spend energy on it.
2. Focus on local stories. On the economy, I believe local data from trusted sources a lot more than cooked books from the Village (and now I can't remember the source of a great article on this; thought it was Scott Horton in Harpers, but no). And in the same way, I trust local sources on events like Hurricane Ike a lot more than our famously free press.
3. Aggregate the local stories and redistribute. Obviously, RSS and blogrolls are one way to do that, but the technical solution I've been advocating, widgets, would permit much, much greater linky goodness, and more interesting content.
4. Money? Maybe we need microloans for natural disasters (though what's natural about them?)
Anyhow, those are my quick thoughts. What are yours? If you were going to write a PB 2.0 post on Hurricane Ike, what would you do? And how would you manage the comments?
Readers?
NOTE * Not that McCain's choice for VP isn't important. It's just PB 1.0's initial attack -- the 17-year-old, the sedated baby -- poisoned the well for me, and a huge percentage of our time has been spent sorting out truth from lies, made harder by the tendentiousness of the A list, the ubiquity of oppo, and the Rashomon-like nature of local politics, where so much of the grist for this particular mill comes from. Hopefully, the Dominionist angle will provide a clearer vista.
UPDATE Via Susie, this is a great site. Lots of pictures, and:
These images and links were compiled from 9-13-2008 to 9-17-2008 following the devastation of Hurricane Ike.
With little being reported about the Bolivar Peninsula on the mainstream news, everyone turned to the internet in the search for their homes and loved ones.
Interestingly, they're using NOAA imagery and Google earth, so on the bleeding edge, there's a virtual flyover already available. The issue is annotating and propagating the images....


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I took the local angle...
Since the news media was, at the very least, persuaded not to fly over the area. (Versions differ.) So today I linked to a central missing persons board at a local TV station, and a blogger who's coordinating before-and-after satellite pictures to help people find out what happened to specific homes.
http://susiemadrak.com/2008/09/18/11/32/...
And IMNSHO what is needed
... is a way to efficiently propagate that great information across the PB 2.0 network, so sparks flash at many points, not just one.
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On "persuaded not to fly over"...
... what are the versions? (I know, I know, it's on your site, all I can do is plead that I've been preparing to upgrade this one.)
Because if we can bubble stories up, it doesn't matter whether they fucking choose to fly over "the area" or not. (And what "area"? The Mississippi and Ohio Rivers?!
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Citizen Journalists
I normally hate listening to Joe "Creative" [cough] bloviate about a part of the world they have no clue about, but events like this are perfect for citizen journalists. Or folks directly impacted that have a blog. That would be a great personal story.
A year or so ago, when WA state had severe storms and power went out for days, I didn't read much about how bad it really was. I had friends and family in the area so they told me. But I also listened to a radio station based out of Seattle (I was in N. CA at the time) and the folks who called in to rant painted a sense of urgency that may have quicked the response if more people knew how bad it was. Elderly folks and infants freezing, people going without food or plumbing. The personal stories created a much larger sense of urgency than anything I read online. PB2.0 could be useful in that area. And a widget approach that streamed or allowed you to find collected stories would be great. Even links to local papers in blog posts would be great.
Everytime I think PB2.0 is set to fail, I think of the potential for tragedies like this.
Or maybe just citizens...
... as opposed to this netroots nonsense, which rapidly dissolved into free oppo.
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Personally, I'm very national-level focused
I've stopped reading local papers and really should check online local resources. If they decided to tear down I93 and start rebuilding it, I wouldn't know until I flew off the decommissioned on-ramp.
Why did you stop reading local papers?
And by that do you mean The Glob and the Herald?
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The Glob
Never the Herald. I was getting all my info online, and none of us were reading the daily paper, which just went into the recycling bin.
RE: National level
But Ike is a situation where only a local focus showed a national problem. See, via (BDBlue (Susie)) this superb post from the All Spin Zone, which includes news of the media blackout and the no-fly zone blocking media coverage from the air.
National level !== The level the national media chooses to present to us
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Maybe I need to borrow BTD's sig line
I'm speaking only for yours truly. Some of the proposals for PB2.0 may be wonderful, ideal, etc., they're just a little bit "other" for me as a writer.
I cuss, I can't garden worth sh*t, and I'm a "think globally, act globally" kinda guy. And MR. SUPERLIMINAL "party invariant" still sounds like the opposite of what it means.
But truly, that's just me speaking for me.
Giving widgets
How easy/hard is it to throw up a link on a site for the Red Cross or similar orgs when people realize there's an impending disaster? (with a story/post discussing it). So, not the most original idea, but if encouraging readers to help is considered a good and cool thing to do, it's more likely to spread, and helps bring attention.
I didn't realize how bad Ike was until my work pal told me about his sister who lives coast south of Houston. Half of her house was washed away, and officials aren't letting residents in some areas for up to 6 weeks. Debris everywhere, most of their area is without power or clean water. (as I understand it, they can go back during the day for cleanup type activities but not for living purposes).
Also, if anyone has the stuff (I don't, unfortunately) to write about a disaster like Ike and tie it in to national policy concerns. For instance, rising temps in the Gulf are causing stronger storms as I understand it. Let's get behind that. And, with the collapse of AIG, will there be fallout for rebuilding -- is there an insurance impact? Stack up multiple possible interest angles.
A bit OT: I think Ike suffered a bit in the attention department because it followed so closely on the heels of Gustav. Remember Rita? Followed Katrina but everyone talks about Katrina.
But "throwing up a link" isn't the answer...
... and apparently, it is quite hard, because you, I, and several others are all saying what you said:
How weird is this???? Think about it! And what next?
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People have trouble comprehending disaster
I've been in situations where people were saying we have nothing and their friends and families didn't realize, even though they were told, and sent nothing and then later were like, you mean you needed pots and pans?
PB 2.0 is a good way to make people understand in fairly real time and know how to help and what's happening--which also helps in asking pols and organizations for help.
Speaking of which, does anyone know how we can help, specifically?
Citizen journalists, even embedded ones like Mayhill, can be oddly honest in an important way. Lots of professional journalists are being fired anyway...
Wouldn't we have found 6 degrees of separation people
on the ground and asked them all to submit stuff?
Can we do this now?
That is precisely the goal. Volunteers?
and in network terms. We don't have the infrastructure (yet) to leverage the results. Maybe just finding them and asking for crossposts would be a good start. Volunteers? (You don't have to, TP! Nobody "has to").
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Sure but I know someone in a town that was partly hit
I'll go talk to them.
But what about all those helicopter shots
that are on the site and being matched by people with maps? Are those private helicopters?
I can't reach the people I know by phone; the recording says the phones in the area aren't working (not that I don't get that sometimes when it seems as if there is no major problem...) But I called around and hopefully will hear more soon. I knew they were okay already. One interesting thing I did learn is that Houston airport was closed until Tuesday.
Here's the MSM info: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/t...
So, some confirmation, some difference. I'll ask about it; even in MSM, there is a difference between an announcement and an--actuality?
Also, with networking, people were saying the flooding in some areas near Chicago was bad.
Do you think reports were not organized well? The NYT coverage seemed as if it were--but that was mainly TX. coverage early on; I haven't followed it since. It would be typical of the way this Admin. has handled conflict for FEMA to say the problem is not the problem, the MSM coverage is the problem, so let's do a PR fix. MBA 101.
Did FEMA do a PR fix? Gov. Perry may have given a hint of that but I didn't think it was conclusive. Also, the land/water situation down in TX is different than N.O.--I've been in both places. Once parts of Galveston washed out, it would be much more like open water--open to the sea itself. I wonder if the tree survived.
Airports closed... Darkened cities... Millions without power...
Shit, this is like Burma. Junta and all.
I bet the administration is looking at this as a dry run for suppressing the news of the next disaster, whatever it might be. They're surely expecting them...
Know anybody down there with a cell that takes pictures?
NOTE Oops, dammifino where the helicopter pix came from. An awful lot of the photos are on Google earth.
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Here's FEMA
http://7thspace.com/headlines/292819/fem...
long long "response to Ike" with specifics about supplies and rescue teams
Sporting News comes through!
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/liberty...
And has a theory...
"I doubt our “little” outage has even made a blip on the national radar, with the more devastating effects around Galveston and Houston in Texas as well as the financial instability of yesterday’s (into today’s) stock market." Rentz said 2 million were without power in the Ohio tri-state area by his calculations.
Two million lost power in OHIO??
Great find, TP. As you say, the money quote:
Haw. And why would that be?
This is fucking amazing. It's a horrible scandal:
1. For the sucky response.
2. For the media blackout
3. For the fucking A list blackout
4. For the candidates blackout.
5. The sheer isolation of people, who are being failed by system after system after system. As CD says, we're all niggers now.
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2.6 million customers, not people, but households
Here's a link to the news agency that shall not be named via the Toledo Blade - Article on Ohio wind storm from TB
"Ohio’s utilities reported about 900,000 homes and businesses still without power, down from 2.6 million customers at some point after the windstorm hit Sunday."
How sad is it that I live in the freaking state and didn't know? By the calculations in the SN article referenced, we'd be talking around 7.8 million people.
Wow! Thanks for the link and a lot of perspective
I say this as someone in the Cinci area. I'm hearing the little stories of my coworkers and what's reported on the local news (now that I have power), but have not been getting the larger picture. That tri-state number is just my area. I have to go research the 5 or so other power companies in Ohio, now. It hasn't been reported in one single place what the entire state number is/was.
Sunday night/Monday morning, the number was close to 800,000 households - but that was just Duke Energy. They just do the tri-state, not all of Ohio.
What’s the goal of PB 2.0 in this type of case?
First off, I’ll admit to my naiveté that the national media hadn’t picked up on the whole Hurricane Ike issue. Being without power from Sunday through Tuesday night will do that, I guess. In my media blackout, I made the silly assumption that Houston and Ike had been thoroughly covered while I was sitting in the dark. What the Cincinnati area is dealing with right now is nothing compared to the devastation in Houston. What’s going wrong here now seems to be in pockets and not whole swaths.
For most people, what happened in Ohio comes under the category of incredibly inconvenient. For others, it is and will become far scarier. Some people lost roofs, some lost windows, some have trees through their walls. There are smaller towns not yet back on the grid which do not or will not have water. There are people who lost hundreds of dollars in groceries that they will not be able to replace until next pay day, who may have been unable to work and not paid for the time their company was down. I’m lucky. I spent more money than I had on extra lights and batteries and threw out a bunch of stuff from the fridge. I spent too much for crap food from the few open restaurants. But come payday, I’ll almost be back where I started, just slightly poorer. Not so for too many of the families who tossed fridges and freezers full of food, while losing days of pay.
Going back to PB 2.0, I can see it helping with making the rest of the country more aware of what’s happening in the other areas. It can help to direct aid when and where necessary. What threw me for a loop Sunday through Tuesday was lack of communication. We’ve become so dependent on the internet, tv, and cell phones as a culture. But without electric, it’s all useless.
Disaster blogs
Aren't there usually various places that collect these first-hand reports? Back in the day when I used to read Orange Satan, there were lots of links and diaries about various things like this pointing to places where people were posting their experiences.
Local political blogs, those that are still up, or ones in the next state, etc., I would think might be a source of these reports.
It's fantastic to have our own few firsthand reports here, but I wonder if maybe we should be looking instead for the local or organizational sources that might already be carrying these things, not just for links, but maybe for permission to reprint or repost here or something?
Not sure how this fits into PB 2.0 as a multi-blog structure, but speaking only of the idea of PB 2.0 as we're sort of struggling toward it here at Corrente.
Has anybody checked out the cable nets' Irepot and Ureport, blah, blah, blah, sites? Just because CNN isn't saying much about Ike beyond Texas/Louisiana doesn't mean they aren't getting submissions from other areas.
FEMA issues
I'm slightly sensitive about this because my best friend works disasters for FEMA-- not as a first responder but involved in what's called "community relations," essentially critical liaison with mostly very local-level folks, select boards and town emergency managers, a state rep. here and there, that kind of thing.
Last I heard from my friend, she was expecting to be assigned to something a couple weeks ago, just pre-Ike. Given the subsequent silence, I assume she's down there somewhere.
FEMA's problems are legion, but I'd just ask that we bear in mind that the worker bees of the agency are very dedicated folks who are very much committed to helping and are knocking themselves out to deliver within a dysfunctionally organized and heavily, heavily Bush/GOP-patronage infiltrated agency at the management level.
They typically work seven days a week for months at a time, living out of a suitcase at whatever housing they can find on short notice (btw, you might be interested to know that FEMA workers are expected to get on the phone and *find their own housing* in the 24 hours between being notified of a disaster assignment and the time they're expected to report at the site headquarters), often a several-hour drive from the disaster area which they must make daily.
Anyway, the official FEMA site has often some very interesting daily reported stuff about the disaster area and what's going on there, so links like the above I think are good extra info to have.
What "we" need, maybe, is for some system, maybe just an invitation, for one or more people to step up and take the lead in funneling info and links, etc., about individual situations like "obscure" or maybe "obscured" disasters and other issues of immediate interest/concern. That happens spontaneously with things like the financial meltdown or the Palin/Dominionist question, but if none emerges organically for some issue of interest, maybe all it would take would be an open invite for someone to step up.
Gyrfalcon, I agree with you about FEMA
My sister's in-laws have extensive experience with them from Katrina. From what I've heard, most of the workers are wonderfully dedicated. The structure and the management are the problem.
Nice to hear, Trishb
Thanks very much.
These folks used to wear their FEMA affiliation with great pride, especially under James Lee Witt, and now they often feel ashamed and hesitate to "admit" they work for FEMA. That this particular agency has been made such a political football, laughingstock and villain is just infuriating.
In my mind, the management-level people who are responsible for things like the thousands of unused, unusable, contaminated "FEMA trailers" belong in jail every bit as much as the Wall Street smartasses.
Do you suppose there's any chance that if Obama wins, he'll bring back Witt to straighten them out *again*?
Trishb, congrats on getting through!
Do you need anything?
How are the papers there? I assume the local papers--if they are able to work--covered everything? What do they say about numbers, damage, etc.?
One of the things that's happening is that MSM have cut their staff, so they may be waiting to just pick up local papers's work.
The AP story seems to imply that there is one or only a few reporters who took a 10 mile drive in to the area (or even, possibly, an early morning truck driver interview):
Really could even be a police report.
The rest is some standard calls to power companies, or reading power company websites, same with hospitals, and doing a few interviews (some picked up from local published reports.) They may have a stringer they picked up there--but it would probably be a reporter for another paper and they maybe couldn't get in touch until the date of the story.
Any writers here who have been through this storm who want to write to, say, the NYT?
BTW, AP says on its own parent website www.ap.org that it has more than 3700 employees--which is not much to cover the world. Apparently, the Ohio part of their website relies partly on citizen journalism by news tips--check out their laundry list of topics they will accept, including storms (but not minor ones), major crimes, murders, etc.--here's the weather section:
Trish, maybe you too can work for AP and can earn $100--but only if your news tip is the best! I think you'd do a great job. (If you're interested you should--and if you'd like a reporting career, it's a nice start.) But I'm a little worried about some other possible contributors. Gives new meaning to that old Andy Warhol saw about 15 min. of fame--can our news system be partly running on free labor by people seeking their 15 min.? Isn't there a great way to game the system here? A great editor can pick up a lot but there's nothing like boots on the ground to tell if something is true or not.
Truth Partisan, here's some local on the ground stuff
The newspaper is the Western Star which serves Warren County and the surrounding area. The first link is to pictures of storm damage in the county, mostly in the small city of Lebanon. Both my parents and my sister's family live there, as did I for a while and I can place pretty much every picture. FWIW my parents got their electric back about 10 o'clock last night.
The second link is to the best photos that readers submitted.
Warren County photos
Reader submitted photos
Galveston paper-- Media blackout is bone-headed
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lass... -- "The city of Galveston made its first serious misstep in handling the Hurricane Ike crisis, but it’s a big enough mistake that it almost outweighs the many good things city leaders have done.
The misstep was clamping down on the flow of information out of Galveston Island. Now, by order of Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas, the only city officials who may speak to the media are Thomas herself and City Manager Steve LeBlanc.
So, reporters who had been getting solid information from the police and firemen, from the police chief and fire chief and other city department heads no longer may do so.
Meanwhile, if Monday is any indication, Mayor Thomas and LeBlanc plan press conferences that are few in number, brief in duration and at which they answer few questions. Monday’s noon press conference lasted about half an hour, and the pair answered only five questions. ..."
Well, I survived
I've never been through a disaster like this. Here in Louisville, we had 300,000 homes w/out power. Five days later, my home still has no power, and my work only came online yesterday.
Thankfully, I have a gas stove and gas water heater, so we had hot water and fire, so we have pretty much been camping out.
While a lot of focus in my area has been on the worst situations, like the looting in some areas of town, for me the truly amazing thing is how we all came together. My entire neighborhood threw a block party to cook all the food that was going bad anyways, and shared it out amongst everyone. People shared their generator power, especially amongst the elderly.
Part of the problem here was that we sent our LG&E trucks to TX to help with the recovery there, and got hit here instead. The National Guard and out of state energy companies came in to help, but our own crews didn't get back into town until Tuesday night.
Some parts of the city came up quickly, but that's because the rich people are in town.
Public schools have been out all week. There is a entire tree uprooted around the corner from my house. Local pics are here.
i can haz hillary nao?