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Politics and Media Headlines 11/25/08

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Normally I would say “So what?” (by myiq2xu at The Confluence)
From Politico: “OBAMA SKIPS CHURCH, HEADS TO GYM”… Now I don’t really care if Barack Obama attends a church, temple, mosque or gym every weekend. But he’s the one who made a big deal over his religious faith… It’s the hypocrisy, stupid!
He doesn’t need the South Side black churches any more. He’s made it. He can forget them.—Caro

Obama the Secret Progressive (by myiq2xu at The Confluence)
From Chris Bowers: “According to [The Atlantic’s Marc] Ambinder, hiring centrists and Republicans for top positions in the Obama administration actually means that Obama intends to govern in a clearly progressive direction…” Put down your sippy-kup Marc, and check this out: “A senior Obama campaign official shared with The Washington Note that in July 2008, the McCain and Obama camps began to work secretly behind the scenes to assemble large rosters of potential personnel for the administration that only one of the candidates would lead.” WE TOLD YOU SO!

Bacevich: ‘I want to see President Obama explicitly abrogate the doctrine of preventive war.’ (Think Progress)
Earlier today, ThinkProgress interviewed Andrew Bacevich, a professor of international relations at Boston University who has been one of the most astute foreign policy critics of the Bush administration. (Bacevich’s son died while serving in Iraq.) In his new book, The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism, Bacevich challenges Obama to “go beyond merely pointing out the folly of the Iraq war” and “demonstrate that Iraq represents the truest manifestation of an approach to national security that is fundamentally flawed… I would want to see a President Obama explicitly abrogate the doctrine of preventive war and to question fundamentally whether global war — open-ended global war — really provides the proper framework in which to address the threat posed by violent Islamic radicalism.”
Click through to listen.—Caro

Why Obama should end the “war on terror” (by Gary Kamiya)
Bush’s infantile response to 9/11 has harmed our national interests for too long. It’s time to declare it dead.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

There are three UCC churches close to the White House, he isn't going to church until he decides which one he attends. Each UCC Church is governed by the congregation, so each one has its own character. It varies greatly from Church to Church, and I don't just mean the style of preaching. Whatever choice he makes he will have to live with, so I don't think we are going to get a decision anytime soon.

For one thing, he has to consider the size of the Church. Anywhere the President joins will expect their congregation to double, maybe triple, so he can't go to Cleveland Park UCC, because it is just too small.

Then there is the racial make up of the church. If he goes to one that is predominately white it might look bad. So there is a great deal consider.

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Submitted by oceansandmountains on

Racial make-up of a congregation and how that looks to others is irrelevant. Face it, the guy's a hypocrite. He pandered to the AA religious right and now he doesn't need them.

Same thing W did. All that religious facade was to sucker people and it worked like a charm.

Clearly the right wing hasn't cornered the market on religious hypocrisy.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

This is just wallowing in Obama hatred, it is just shopping for reasons to dislike him.

He resigned from Trinity UCC, so he can't go there, and it would be conspicuous if he went to another Chicago Church.

Racial make up of a Church is NOT irrelevant, or we would not have different churches for blacks and whites. In defense of the UCC, I have never attended services where the congregation was all one or another. It may be predominately white or predominately black, but it is rare outside of rural New England for a congregation to be entirely of one race.

You don't know what is in Obama's heart, you don't know what is in his soul. Really, these are the kind of things that are said about the Clintons, by people who hate them and pretend they know it all. Where Obama's spiritual life is concerned none of us can know anything. Give it a rest.

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Submitted by scoutt on

but we can judge him by his actions. And his actions tell a lot of us that most of what he's done was about getting elected and building narratives. Don't see too much else there to demonstrate the intentions of his heart and soul. Not hate, just evidence.

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Submitted by oceansandmountains on

not mind-reading in the way Clinton-bashers are mind-readers. And I certainly don't hold myself out as any kind of know-it-all. What I do know is that Obama is doing exactly what W did: made a big public show of religion without manifesting any of that religious observance now that it's unnecessary. Of course he has an entire army of people like yourself ready to make excuses and sweep inconvenient facts under the nearest rug. If religious hypocrisy was so mock-worthy with W, then surely it should be so with O. Be honest, did you ever tell yourself "you can't know what's in his heart" when W almost never set foot in a church after all his campaign pontificating?? Ever made fun of W's religiosity? Why is Obama's religiosity off-limits??

DCB I respect your work on UHC issues, but don't slam me simply because I don't agree with you about Obama. In almost thirty years of political activism this has been the most disgusting election I have ever seen. Both presidential candidates were absolutely repellent. The de-evolution of the Democratic Party into a big f**king frat house of sexism and childishness has been just shattering. This site is a life-saver for us liberals who refuse to toss our brains out the window for Teh One.

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Submitted by vastleft on

"He doesn’t need the South Side black churches any more. He’s made it. He can forget them!"

In the Greatest Speech About Race Evah, he said: "I can no more disown [Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community."

So, his support for the black community is iron clad, Caro. Word!

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Submitted by vastleft on

1. Obama grandstanded (grandstood?) big-time on Rev. Wright (do you need examples?)
2. Progressives were shamed if they had anything critical to say about Wright's, um, lively comments (and air-humping)
3. Obama swore his allegiance to Wright, and made his troubles with Wright into a National Referendum on Race
4. Wright became too big a problem, and Obama ditched him in a Chicago minute (I don't recall anyone apologizing to lefties like me who -- though sympathetic to Wright's liberal agenda -- got vilified for saying that he was a thoughtless blowhard at times)
5. Throughout the campaign, Obama conflated religion with "values," "culture," and "morals."

So, pardon me if I'm not too misty-eyed about Obama's oh-so-private spiritual life. He made it everyone's business when it was convenient, and he also did a piss-poor job of standing up for Muslims in the way he responded to "the Muslim smear."