Please make it stop.
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I elevated this from a comment in Vastleft's thread here.
Irresponsible to speculate? NO! It would be irresponsible not to! Something calling itself a “Jay McDonough” doing something he calls “will write about politics from a progressive perspective”, at something called “Progressive Politics Examiner” (which also has something called a "British Music Examiner" (wow, check it!) writes this:
” In short, there are many speculating that it was not Sarah Palin that gave birth to Trig, but rather Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter Bristol….. These rumors can be cleared up easily with the disclosure of hospital and obstetrician records and eye witness accounts.”
Ok, I surrender.
I promise I will vote for Obama if I never have to:
1. Hear another word about a 17-year old’s pregnancy,
2. Hear any more “speculations” about whether a 17-year old girl is her brother’s mother,
3. Hear any more about inexperienced women governors who are nothing more than “arm candy”,
4. Hear any more demands for “obstetrician records”.
Is it a deal?
Although I'm generally sympathetic with it (and yeah, an awful lot of sanctimony and hypocrisy from the Sarah Palin types so that point well taken) I’m sorry I just can’t get it on with Chicagodyke’s karmic backlash theory. Not when the “vessel” (so to speak) of that backlash is an innocent 17-year old who is guilty of not much more than choosing the wrong parents and exercising her personal choice to work out her “youthful exuberance”. Not to put too fine a point on it, would this convo even be happening if the 17-year old in question was a boy rather than girl? Even if true (oops, now I did it, this will come back to bite I predict), what is the damn take away here? Mom seeks to protect daughter and family? I don’t give a rat’s ass if every single blog and newspaper in the world was “speculating” on this. It still wouldn’t make it clean or less ghoulish to have a million grubby fingers reaching out of the sewer like zombie ghouls for the details.
Don’t get me wrong, I have rubbed my hands together with glee during other recent incidents (Senator “Wide Stance” ho ho!), but this one, I just can’t do it. Sorry, insufficiently jaded I guess.
Anyway, I was able to withstand all of the horrendous garbage thrown at Clinton. Clinton, after all being a big girl, is able to take care of herself. Can’t do it with this one and I throw in the towel. I’ll do whatever you ask PB1.0, just please, please stop.
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I'll move my response here, too. The new progressive rule:
"It would be irresponsible not to speculum."
Vastleft, I am unworthy
You prove once again how a pro does it.
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I am heartbroken at what the Dems have become
The aural wash of this campaign is one big barbaric yalp of woman-hate. All these men going on about amniotic fluid, and danger to the baby as if any of 'em really give a rat's ass.
Right now - I despise a great many of Obama's supporters in a way that I never thought I would for other Dems. This is so rapacious and ugly. The Democratic party has alienated me and I would have never thought that possible.
I don't like these creeps.
I'm With You
Anglachel I thought had up a very good post (surprise!) about how women make different choices at different ages and for different reasons and it's impossible to judge the choice without know all the circumstances and the circumstances are none of your business:
I don't know anything about Bristol Palin's pregnancy other than its existance and I'll be god-damned if I'm going to make some 17-year-old into payback for Lindsay Graham or Karl Rove or any other GOP asshole. Payback for Lindsay Graham would have been impeaching Bush and his cronies for their real crimes. Payback for Rove would be indicting Rove.
NOTE Don't get me wrong, Sarah Palin is awful and wrong about everything. Her selection is a signal of where the GOP cabal sees the party headed in the future and it's an even bleaker and worse place than it is now. But I guess in this post-partisan world we aren't allowed to focus on that. So instead we will once again obsess over teenagers fucking. Because both parties are obsessed over stopping teenagers from fucking (the Dems just funded more abstinence education so they aren't that much better). Unjust wars or a collapsing middle class aren't anything to worry about, but teenagers having sex, now there's something for the national agenda.
chicago dyke
her post is laugh out loud funny and is aimed at adult Republicans who richly deserve our schadenfreud,
It continues
herb the verb,
I just read about the cyber sleuths who have found Levi-shotgun-wedding's website!!
Somehow it is news what his MySpace page said a year ago.
I actually prefer wingnut smear campaigns to this Cheetos led invasion into an otherwise un-viable candidate, that is until kos's holy warriors stuck their feet into her vagina.
Herb,
you ask: "Even if true (oops, now I did it, this will come back to bite I predict), what is the damn take away here?"
The takeaway is that no mother, and no woman who hopes to be a mother someday, can ever run for political office, ever. Parenthood (for women only) disqualifies them, because some day, somehow, someone's little darling may do something to embarass his/her mother and the mother's political party, and the mother will be accused of monstrous ambition and cold calculation for exposing her own child/ren to this awful media scrutiny and public criticism.
At least that's what I heard on the "progressive" radio network, Air America, and what I've read on "liberal" blogs!
You Forgot
Sarah Palin has lousy judgement because her daughter got pregnant. No, I don't know WTF that has to do with Sarah Palin's judgement, which I grant you is lousy, but not because her daughter is pregnant.
And if you think any of this is just about Palin and not about women generally, notice how the press is now shooting Palin in the same diminishing ways they shot Hillary. It's almost the same fucking shot fer Christ's sake.
you forgot
What about Palin's horrible judgment when she consulted her doctor and flew back to Alaska, after consulting her doctor? (of course the doctor must be corrupt because Palin was on a committee that gave him some award).
Let's not forget about Palin not being "pregnant enough". What kind of mother doesn't have the proper amount of bulge when they are 7 months pregnant??? How dare she not be photographed in a way to show her baby? Why hasn't she released her video tape from the birthing room. What kind of horrible mother is this? (I forget, is she horrible because she kept working too long, or that she didn't take a leave and hide from cameras, or that she never told reporters soon enough?)
time to mention fathers--bad ones--
for all Obama's scolding of absentee fathers, he himself is one, and doesn't even work near his family.
Plus, these past 2 years campaigning, he's been continually on the road and not parenting at all.
If Palin is a bad mother, what's Obama?
(compare to Biden, too--who came home every night from DC to be with his kids)
but.. but..
How can Palin be at the big desk with a new born or four other children???????????
(Why does Obama get a pass about raising his daughters? Technically Palin is still around her children, unlike what a year of campaigning on the road might do to a family) Let's start with the daughters of that age really look up to their fathers, critical age for blah blah self-esteen, blah..
don't forget too that Obama made fatherhood an issue
repeatedly, and placed himself above those men and in the position of moral scold and judge and jury.
This just seems approriate...
"What does it profit a man if he should gain the whole world
and lose his own soul?" Mark 8:36
What are we becoming?
PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!
what if
what if this had happened to Chelsea? Obama daughters? I don't like this, but we will never get rid of it until wingers understand that this mentality will come back to bite them. And yeah, I do think this reflects on Sarah and Todd Palin.
Better we should go after Palin's extremism and the fact that Dobson selected her and Dobson will likely be the power behind the thrown in a McCain admin.
But This Isn't Going To Teach The Wingers That
they'll still do it next time only they'll say it's payback for this time. And in the meantime, this is awful for women, IMO.
The way you pay back the wingers is by making their arguments irrelevant, which is what Clinton was able to do in the impeachment. The truth is that Americans - as opposed to the Village - don't care very much about this stuff when it comes to voting. Sure, they'll gossip about it, but they don't actually think it's important. Bill Clinton's popularity after impeachment is testament to that.
And I'd remind folks that Americans rallied around Clinton when it looked like people were piling on and trying to take a private matter and make it one of national importance. I would worry about them doing the same for Palin. I think most parents would not want to be judged for every single thing their teenaged children do. A lot of parents tell their teenagers not to haves sex and the teenagers do anyway. I don't think most of them would agree that that fact reflects badly on them. The truth is that many kids do not live up to their parents' values or even share those values. That's not limited to Sarah Palin.
So if you want to act like the GOP as "payback" go ahead, but remember how that turned out - the Dems won seats in 1998, Clinton left office more popular than Reagan, and Gore won the vote in 2000. And many of those leading the charge against the Clintons - Gingrich, Barr, etc., are all gone. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton came damned close to winning the Democratic nomination.
Hey I liked CD's post!
Way, way funny and I'm down (not low) on that!
I'm all over Rep furries, and twinks and barebacks and serial adulterers and every other stripe of hypocrite getting some serious payback. I'm just not into this Sarah Palin daughter thing and I don't think CD is either, to be honest, just a bit of snark and a laugh but it's sad, not funny.
I didn't mean to pick on CD, she's one of the good peoples.
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"The reason you're reading about Bristol Palin's pregnancy "
"Is Sarah Palin the first nominee on a major-party presidential ticket whose daughter got pregnant out of wedlock? Or is she just the first whose daughter didn't get an abortion?
The reason you're reading about Bristol Palin's pregnancy is that she's taking it to term. If she had aborted it, you'd never have known. Which raises the question: How many other daughters of nominees have gotten knocked up without your knowledge? ..." -- http://www.slate.com/id/2199086/
Sorry, I thought Saletan's article was one of the more
Disgusting pieces of anti-feminism and anti-choice rhetoric that has ever graced a so-called mainstream publication. What you see there is Saletan's general stance on choice. How dare he refer to any pregnancy as "not getting rid of the mess?"
The other reason
Is that some really shameless and disgusting mouth-breathers thought it was a good idea to "speculate" that Sarah Palin's son Trig, (born last April 4 months ago) was secretly the baby of her daughter (now revealed as 5 months pregnant).
Do they ("progressive" mouth-breathers) still need to have the speculums broken out?
The stupid, how it burns.
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Question
Is it sexism even if the Democrats say that it isn't? [/snark]
Gwen Iffel (however the hell you spell her name) went into the whole "shouldn't Palin be at home taking care of her family?" shpeel, today, with two Republican female congresspersons, and they tore her a new one. Gwen kept going at it until they forced her down. I couldn't believe that Gwen was asking that. I tried to convince myself she was playing devil's advocate, but couldn't. It was too real and sincere how she asked it.
Is the whole fucking media going crazy? This was just one of many smackdowns of the media I've seen by Republicans in recent days. I really can't imagine that these folks are being serious. They have to know how they sound, no? Are they completely tone deaf?
I Just Posted
this link to Echidne, in which she wonders why all the judging is limited to Sarah Palin and her husband gets off scot free. He's a parent, too, is he not?
And since I don't remember, did anyone ask JFK if he could father his young children and be President. I'm going out on a limb and say NO.
"Liberals" Demand to Know!
So Somerby (and in this case I'm sad to say only 'finally, and timidly') addresses the real issue:
In other words, all this bullshit about her family just distracts from (and more importantly DELIGITIMIZES) the legitimate concerns that legitimately concerning critics may have about Palin. How can anyone possibly take your complaints seriously if you are tin-foil hatting whether her 5-month pregnant daughter is the "real" mother of her 4-month old child?
Was Larry, Moe, Curly or Shemp ever that dumb? How about Joe?
Meanwhile.... (fill in the blank).
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All part of the Master Plan
You see, if her daughter would have "gotten rid of the mess" like any self-respecting celebrity child, then there wouldn't have been irrefutable proof that Sarah Palin's handicapped son Trig (4 months old) could not possibly have been her 5-month pregnant daughter's baby that she was 'covering' up. That is just how evil these Palin people are. They will do anything to win.
Of course only the likes of Stephen Clemons is stoopid enough to need a picture to tell him that it is impossible to be 5 months pregnant and also have a 4 month old baby.
So, since the "her daughter baby mama" trope is gone, sights shift to "her bad parenting basically forced her daughter to be pregnant, and her lack of concern for how badly people like us will savage her and her daughter is her own fault and an example of how icky her values are".
Not self-knowledge required or appreciated, thanks.
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