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Remember, remember the fifth of November
When
Daily Kos went to pot

Because they thought the Dems were all that
When really, they were not.

 photo guy-fawkes-mask_zps402bb1b0.jpgAs a former (by compulsion) member it gives me great pleasure (in a schadenfreud way) to report that in the wake of last night's debacle the Great Orange Satan is divided into roughly 4 camps.

The first, represented mostly by Mr. Moulitsas and those beholden to him by salary, contends that this is merely a bump in the road of inexorable demographic victory, only to be expected and predicted countless times by him and his "experts". Work harder, contribute more, go 2016 and Hillary Clinton! Nothing to see here.

La, la, la, la, la.

The second group is the delusional suicidal types. Those nasty voters. How can they not recognize our vast accomplishments? Don't they realize the Republicans are evil? Evil, evil, evil, evil, evil! Voters is teh stoopid and until we get them to think gooder we are Doomed! DOOMED!

This is my last post until the stoopid people think gooder.

The third group is the die hard Obots. You see those spineless cowardly Democrats ran away from this good President and his tanking poll numbers and insurance mandates and Lilly Ledbetter (did we mention Lilly Ledbetter?) and all the other wonderful things he's done like the Catfood Commission (sorry about your Social Security, those T-Bills aren't worth the paper they're printed on because we have to pay off these other T-Bills that Billionaires own), Bailing Out the Banksters (with no prosecutions), a Jobless Recovery fueled by easy money (not that there's anything wrong with easy money) and Speculative Bubbles in the great FIRE casino, and being tough on Foreign Policy by increasing domestic spying, deporting more immigrants, killing citizens without due process, continuing our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and starting 7 or 8 new ones (it's just a co-incidence that they're all against Muslims, we're not the racists, you are), and covering up W's torture regime.

Ingrates.

And finally there are what remains (on Daily Kos) of the democratic wing of the Democratic Party and their argument goes something like this-

Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.

Needless to say I sympathize most with the last. As for "inexorable demographic victory"-

Obama Manages the Rare Triple Play of Bad Politics on Immigration
By: Jon Walker, Firedog Lake
Friday October 31, 2014 10:26 am

Politics is fairly simple. There are actually only a few ways to disappoint a group that cares about a particular issue. The simplest is you can fail to adopt the policy they want.

Second, you can be caught lying to them. This raises hopes only to crush them. That can feel even worse than knowing a politician has always been opposed in a principled way to your idea.

Third, you can make them feel not valued or listened to. Voters can still respect politicians they disagree with, but being treated poorly is different.

With his recent decision on immigration Obama managed to do all three at the same time. He failed to take executive action on immigration reform like most Latino voters wanted. He lied about it by promising action by the end of the summer. Finally, Obama broke this promise for what seemed to be purely political reasons. This sends a message that Latino voters aren’t valued and Democrats think they can be taken for granted. It is a statement about where a group fits in the priorities of the party.

The final sin is that it was ultimately ineffective. It didn't save a single seat. Cowardice never does.

The stoopid voters say things like this-

To Angry Voters, Washington Comes Out the Biggest Loser
By ADAM NAGOURNEY, The New York Times
NOV. 4, 2014

When asked if her vote would change anything, Ms. Dempsey glanced back at the empty sidewalk leading to the polling place. “I don’t know,” she said. “I really don’t know.”
...
“I feel like I’m in that class of people that’s kind of getting left behind in this whirlwind,” said Etrulia Byrd, 37, a waitress from Anchorage. “I’m in that economic class of people that works really, really hard and will probably never get too far ahead, barely makes it, and kind of gets punished for it.”
...
“There’s no such thing as a good politician, I’m sorry,” said Christi Miller, 43, an Obama supporter from Hot Springs, Ark. “They may start out that way, but I think once you get in and once you get painted with bribes, and you have to take care of the people who contributed to you. ... ” Her voice trailed off. “They would care if they were actually running for office for the right reasons,” she said. “They’re running for office for money and power.”
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“Since they’ve allowed all the money in politics, it’s gotten much worse,” said Scott Hasson, 40, a photographer who lives in Denver. “Everyone says our vote matters, but until we can check the system and start taking a lot of that money out, I feel like it’s just power, people with money have the power.”

The Democrats are spineless and cowardly-

A Victory for the Left
By William Saletan, Slate
Nov. 4 2014 11:25 PM

Republicans won big in the 2014 elections. They captured the Senate and gained seats in the House. But they didn’t do it by running to the right. They did it, to a surprising extent, by embracing ideas and standards that came from the left. I’m not talking about gay marriage, on which Republicans have caved, or birth control, on which they’ve made over-the-counter access a national talking point. I’m talking about the core of the liberal agenda: economic equality.
...
Republicans picked up other liberal themes, too. They harped on the injustice of cutting Medicare, the importance of educational opportunity as “the great equalizer,” and the folly of gambling pension money in the stock market. They endorsed health care as a fundamental right, ridiculed the description of wealthy people as “middle-class,” and championed midnight basketball.

No, Republicans haven’t become liberals. They still hate taxes and blame everything bad on President Obama, Obamacare, and big government. But their focus on wage stagnation and class stratification reflects the economy and the political climate. And when you use egalitarian benchmarks to indict the opposition, those benchmarks endure. In the next election, Republicans, too, will be measured by median income, black unemployment, and what they pay women. They’ll have to account for the poverty rate, the tax burden on low-income people, and the widening gap between investors and laborers. It’s these underlying benchmarks, not the partisan composition of Congress, that signal the fundamental direction in which the country is heading.

Ahem-

No Scapegoats. Time to Face Facts.
by Dallasdoc, Daily Kos
Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 07:47 AM PST

So here we are once more. Another electoral drubbing at the hands of the most cartoonishly evil, corrupt, inept gang of thugs politics has served up since the days of Mark Hanna. And we're all shocked. How could this have happened? How can we possibly have lost to these freakshow escapees yet again?

It must be the fault of the voters, for being stupid. Or the non-voters, for being too lazy and stupid to show up. Or the media, for always being in the tank for the Republicans. Or the purist progressives, because they said bad things about Obama. Or Ralph Nader, for who the fuck knows anymore. Yeah, those guys are to blame.
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Progressives and liberals have long hitched their wagon to the Democratic party, maintaining the delusion that it's still the party of the New Deal and the Great Society at heart. I've done this too. But the New Deal was eight decades ago. Our view of the party is almost as outdated as that of old African Americans in the 1960s, who stuck with the Republican party because it was the party of Lincoln. Actually, they had better contemporary justification than we do, at least until Nixon's Southern Strategy. The New Deal Democratic party is as dead as the Whigs. Our latter-day version is one more vehicle of corporate influence: the Goldman Division of America, Inc. We are locked in phony battle with the Koch Division for spectacles of Potemkin democracy, which offer changes and choices that cost the owners of this country nothing and usually improve their quarterly numbers. Nothing can be done anymore that doesn't pay off billionaire sponsors first and last.

Our political system is comprehensively corrupt, and it is almost impossible to participate in it, certainly not as an officeholder, without wallowing in that corruption. In Washington those who have held themselves apart can be counted on your fingers. Both parties are creatures of this corruption, and their bases know it. Ask any average American if they think politics is corrupt, and you'll get a resounding "No shit!" nine times out of ten. Conservatives know this as well as liberals. It's only devout party followers who seem blind to the obvious.

Corrupt parties have to find ways to get their voters out, despite most of those voters knowing how corrupt they are. It is almost impossible to make a positive, affirmative case for oneself when everybody knows your pockets are stuffed with cash. Therefore, you have to point over there at how terrible the other guy is. Hence we have almost exclusively negative campaigning. Republicans are awfully good at this, and are bounded by neither truth, shame, nor basic human decency. Democrats suck at it, despite having a lot more material to work with. The problem for Democrats is that too many of the things they can truthfully say about the Republicans are just as true of them. Want to point out how beholden Republicans are to the Kochs? Yeah, just try it, when you're getting so much "support" from Goldman Sachs or BP or Lockheed Martin. Voters aren't as stupid as most professional pols think they are.
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The Democratic party will not change until it has absolutely no other choice. The leadership has proven over and over again that it would rather lose to a Republican than permit a progressive Democratic insurgent to win a primary. Losing to a Republican doesn't threaten the leadership's perks and position, for some unfathomable reason. Seeing the Warren wing gain power within the party is a much more direct threat to most of their jobs, on the other hand. The chimera of fighting the battle in the primaries is a lost cause: they'll make sure we lose. When was the last time we won one?

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To Crash the Gates of government.
A big old blog of orange you know
To prove the DLC's overthrow
But by his hubris he was catch'd
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Submitted by Splashoil on

Where have all the HR'd souls gone from Kos? Even though their insights have been banned from comments I am certain they would vote for the slate from Marcos lol.... Remember those still left at Kos have been walking a tightrope for months or longer. Those who would really make the "discussion" robust are no longer there.
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Submitted by wanderindiana on

Why does Dallasdoc and anyone like him still visit -- post diaries at -- Daily Kos?

He is dead on in his remarks, but why waste them there?

The big argument used to be "change the party from within" -- but that was like a car salesman selling us pinstripes and undercoating. Total bullshit.

Now, if they moved to start a pony/kitten/puppy wing of the Democrat Party, Daily Kos may one day regain relevance. Currently, it is an atomic dustbin. Fallout from a great Democratic con game from the first decade of the 21st Century.

Me, I have no place to go, so I occasionally come here, and wait for the Next Big Wave of backlash. I will be waiting a l-o-n-g time....

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Submitted by a little night ... on

Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.

This.

Except I voted for Howie Hawkins (Hi Lambert!) - give them a real alternative, and...

Submitted by lambert on

... she would already have done it. All the chances in the world in the Senate, and all we've got is some YouTubes. She would/will have to challenge the leadership very directly. I haven't seen that in her, nor any inclination to. The term "middle class" is a dead giveaway.