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PB2.0 - Where Do We Go from Here?

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After weeks of looking back and taking stock of what happened to the major players in the progressive blogosphere (PB1.0), let's move forward, shall we?

It's time to come out and stake our claim to a place in the blogosphere. We need to define ourselves as we are already being defined by others as "just disgruntled HRC supporters over there at Corrente."

The Principles

What we for PB2.0

  • Promotion of Justice / Social Justice
  • Promotion of truth no matter what
  • Promotion of the tools of critical analysis
  • Party invariance
  • We are not impartial, we are progressives

What we don't want for PB2.0

  • An exclusive focus on electoral politics
  • Too close a relationship between the blogosphere, the media and party politics

The Structure

What we want for PB2.0

  • No uniformity: PB1.0 sites look more and more all the same: frontpagers and diarists
  • A flexible and decentralized network as opposed to a centralized hub
  • Accountability mechanisms to avoid truthiness
  • Blogging professionals rather than professional bloggers (this means we want people with specific perspective and expertise on a variety of topics rather professional bloviators with an eye to a career in the mainstream media)

What we don't want for PB2.0

  • A Top-Down structure where frontpagers dictate the terms of the debate and hold out the carrot of becoming one of the club to diarists
  • A hub-like structure where the core is vulnerable to hijacking to particular interests

The Model

  • Some of us can blog for free because of our careers, the tools are also out there for gree blogging. Others might need help to fund their contribution to PB2.0.
  • Connections between Online and Offline activism: this might also require funding.

Social Business versus Corporate Social Responsibility: SB means "for-profit / no dividends" (investors only get back what they put in, the Kiva model), CSR means "for-profit / dividends" with some regard for the activities of the business to get some undefined socially responsible goal or behave in some undefined socially responsible manner. Personally, I lean towards the Social Business model.

Microlending for progressive projects: the $$ invested by PB2.0 players (possibly through an entry fee - the larger the pool, the lower the fee) should be used to promote a variety of projects, online or offline, that promote progressive causes. We could have calls for project 2 or 3 times a year and have PB2.0 bloggers vote on where the money goes and how it is being distributed. We could also fund a scholarship for students working to promote progressivism through innovative online tools. Other ideas are welcome.

The goal of PB2.0 should not to make blogging stars of certain figureheads (Sorry, Lambert :-))

The Promotion

  • Major blogwhoring
  • A widget that lists the new posts on PB2.0 blogs (this could be a funded project)
  • Brand / Logo merchandizing through Cafe Press
  • Alternative media presence: Blogtalkradio, for instance
  • Funding local projects might attract interest from the local media

The Remaining Questions

  • What’s in it for the blogs who join and are asked to join beyond the close Corrente circle?
  • Will there be a stigma attached to being a PB2.0 blog / site… it is already being defined as disgruntled HRC supporters club.
  • How do we not make PB2.0 an exclusive club? What is the price of entry?
  • Would certain blogs be afraid of burning bridges with PB1.0?

Your turn... where do we go from here?

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

however, I'm talking true diversity, not tokenism. True diversity means respect for the priorities of others.

(Its not about asking the opinions of "minorities" on the topics that interest you, or finding "minorities" that agree with you on topics. That is tokenism.)

Ultimately, its the responsibility of the blogowner/frontpagers to achieve diversity, and the blogowner/frontpagers have to actively seek out "minority" opinions, link to them, and ask permission to cross-post the work of "minority" bloggers.

(What Open Left did in their attempt at diversity was the precise opposite of achieving true diversity. The polled their readership about what topics they wanted opinions on, then polled their readership to find out whose opinion on the given topic they wanted to read. The result of all that effort was moarly ro add "minority" voices to their echo chamber...)

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Submitted by lambert on

And does the individual blog need to be diverse? Or does the network need to be diverse, and sufficiently transparent that the diversity is visible from any blog in the network?

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

its the responsibility of the blogowner/frontpagers of each blog. And the nature of the blog will determine how much effort is needed -- "special interest" blogs (like a blog that focuses on health care, or legal issues) will need to seek out "minority" bloggers who discuss those topics -- including general interest minority blogs where the topics are discussed infrequently. (For instance, a 'health care' blog would need to seek out stuff like expressions of how gay people see recognition of 'partnerships' as a priority when it comes to health care insurance and costs.)

PB 2.0 isn't 'exclusive' - it can't be a separate network, especially when it comes to diversity issues. Rather, the blogowner/frontpagers should make it a priority for its links to other PB 2.0 bloggers, and "minority" bloggers who may or may not be part of a 2.0 network.

Much of this is about changing habits -- 95% of what appears on PB 1.0 is just bloviating, and there will be no shortage of bloviating in PB 2.0. Rather than link to a straight white male bloviator, why not link to a Puerto Rican lesbian bloviator?

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Submitted by lambert on

so far as I can tell, and will therefore collapse at the first attack, just like PB 1.0.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

I don't really see that as separate from social justice issues and redistribution.

However, I am weary of identity politics... if there is a good Puerto Rican lesbian blogger on healthcare, then, by all means, linky goodness applies...

I would not be in favor of forcing people to add specific identity categories... how far would this go? LGBTs (each of them), every ethnic group, religious affiliation?

Diversity should be grown and encouraged all in the name of progressivism, not identity politics.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

The simple fact is that "straight" and "white" and "male" and "35-55" and "professional" is a specific perspective that is over-represented in the 'progressive' blogosphere, and that perspective is considered 'normative' and other perspectives considered 'diversity'.

And that's separate and distinct from identity politics -- indeed, the 'normative' perspective is really identity politics for straight, white, professional males between the ages of 35 and 55.

For example, the recognition that 'normative' is really just a form of identity politics is what is behind the whole "womanist" perspective. "Feminists" think that the womans suffrage movement is a victory for "women" -- "womenists" recognise that it was essentially meaningless for African American women, because they were still denied access to the ballot box based on their race, and saw the 'white' feminist movement as ignoring that fact.

Diversity is about recognition that different people have different priorities that exist because they are members of minority groups. That isn't 'identity politics', its progressive politics.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

and not just electoral / party politics blogs.

Now, whether PB2.0 should seek out such minority-written blogs? Sure, of course... I objected to the idea of forcing people... after all, Markos is minority, and that in itself is meaningless. Being a member of a minority group is no guarantee of progressivism per se. I don't care to have Ward Connerly blog on affirmative action.

Progressivism, diversity of topics and quality writing should come first, with a broad coverage of the issues (which is where diversity WITHIN the progressive community comes in).

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Submitted by lambert on

1. As far as stars: I have no wish to be a star. OTOH, if you make a chart with axes for work and quality, some are farther along the axes than others. And since we're creating content here (more below) it's very hard to separate the quality of the content from individual style. I think the key here is your distinction between "blogging professionals" and "professional bloggers", though (full disclosure here), my increasingly desperate personal situation may make being an amateur untenable for me.

And that said:

2. What's in it for the blogs? I would say, "hits and revenues." My picture, yet to be put to the test, is that there are a LOT of good blogs out there, with fine writing and interesting perspectives, that aren't getting enough of either. Sure, Corrente is a small fish by the side of the A listers, but it's a very large fish in the blogosphere as a whole. So one answer to flattening the curve and keeping the network as a whole healthy, might be a revenue sharing arrangement ("a progressive tax") between the bigger blogs and the smaller ones. (Maybe somebody with a business head, like Ohio, could think this through.

3. I think that there are blogs that won't support the effort exactly because of "What we for PB2.0," and will use the "disgruntled Hillary supporter" perception as a club. First, anyone who buys that, we don't want, and second, I'm betting the blogosphere as a whole is big enough to avoid that nonsense. (Also, once Obama is finally, officially selected, I'd expect the horserace stuff to die down -- though we'd have to find something else for the hits...)

4. As far as price of entry, it did occur to me that an entry fee might bootstrap the micro projects. Not sure about that, though. I think we'd need one under our belt to make a credible claim.

5. I also think we can create and market online books a la lulu.

6. We need to get in touch with the ground. Bruce Dixon I think says that and he's right. I think that PB 2.0 needs to encourage that. Drinking Liberally does that, but ... It's drinking. This sort of thing would provide narrative which would provide support which would provoke further action on the ground providing narrative... This is hard to do, though.

Lots of great stuff in that summary. I can't see anything left out, which might mean that I'm missing something really obvious.

NOTE Again, as far as stigma: It's the age of the anti-Cassandra. There are certain classes and individuals who will never support someone who was right. As in Iraq and the DFHs, so with many other issues today. But people like that are ruled out a priori by the principles. We just have to stick to those and trust in a good outcome.

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

As far as how one creates a blogosphere 2.0, you can't create it. The closest thing that you can do is state certain principles, promulgate those principles, make a special effort to read/link to those that subscribe to those principles, and create PB 2.0 specific blogrolls.

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Submitted by lambert on

... without addressing the concrete proposals made in the post. Most of them seem well worth trying, to me, and more resilient in the face of adversity than PB 1.0. How can we avoid folding like deck chairs?

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

...the whole "blogger ethics panel" stuff. PB 2.0 isn't something concrete, its a state of mind/consciousness, and you can't 'legislate' consciousness.

As to blogrolls being too granular, and the need for 'headlines'... first of all, you're talking about major software development here, secondly, you're really re-creating the whole 'whose opinions are important' problem of PB 1.0. The 'blogroll' idea is simply a designator of shared purpose/state of mind -- a way of saying who "we" are, and who isn't us.

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Submitted by lambert on

That was before the primaries, of course. Talk about making a mockery!

If you don't like the principles, then say so. As for me, I'm perfectly happy to label actions like (say) running fake stories without checking provenance unethical. Aren't you?

NOTE As far as the software development... I don't think it would be all that major, or even need to be funded.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

quality of information and reporting, that's the point of self-monitoring... and maybe, just maybe, PB1.0 could have used a blogger ethics panel during and after the primary.

And yes, PB2.0 so far is a nice idea... a starting point, we never pretended otherwise at this juncture. The whole point that I obviously failed to make is that now that we have certain things in place (in the sense that we have a broad consensus on them), it's time to set things in motion.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

those blogs which already operate under the general principles of PB 2.0...and go from there.

My short list contains
Corrente
Talk Left
Shakesville
Anglachel
Michael Froomkin (Discourse)
Brad DeLong

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Submitted by lambert on

And I'd add Krugman's blog, which is terrific, to that list. Probably Patriot Boy, too -- anybody who can eat crow passes the truthfulness test.

But I do think we need to get outside our own circle. There are a LOT of good blogs out there.

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Submitted by lambert on

What's needed, at a minimum, and some platforms already have it, is content -- headlines, and possibly more.

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Submitted by ohio on

Social Business versus Corporate Social Responsibility: SB means "for-profit / no dividends" (investors only get back what they put in, the Kiva model), CSR means "for-profit / dividends" with some regard for the activities of the business to get some undefined socially responsible goal or behave in some undefined socially responsible manner.

I think you missed the Creative Corp model, which offers clearly defined socially responsible positions built into its charter. For example, instead of the board having only a fiduciary duty to the stockholders, the board can be charged of getting rid of any profits. Basically, set a goal of zero for profits and dividends---all money must be used by the end of the fiscal year.

This does not mean no growth equals you can't include more people. But the growth is about participation and trying to make the whole effort self-sustaining.

Paul brings up a point about diversity of voices. I don't think that can be legislated, but it can be promoted, marketed, and paid for. If individuals can get some revenue from their efforts, so much the better. No one will make a living, but people should be paid for their work. Not everyone has the advantage of being able to sustain this effort without getting paid for it.

And if people don't want the income, they can choose not to be paid. In fact, they could choose to have any and all income sent back to Corrente, to a 527, another cause, etc. (FTR, there will be tax ramifications for individuals, but 1099s aren't that hard to do. But if someone doesn't want to collect, then no tax ramifications for them.)

lambert, do you have a hamster care and feeding bill? Even more, what's the donation rate? Have you any numbers regarding a fund-drive or anything? A sense of the challenges here (what are the running deficits of Corrente?) will, IMO, suggest a business structure to enable PB2.0 to start paying its own way.

An entry fee or subscription...could you expand on this?

(It's not that I'm not interested in the larger principles---I am. But paying people for their work is important to me and a free exchange of ideas can't be free if it can't stand on its own two feet. So to speak.)

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

I'm not a business person so I was hoping someone (AKA, you) would drop by and take on that aspect of the project, especially the legal / fiscal ramifications.

I think we're at the point where serious decisions need to be made on that side of things. If there is an entry / subscription fee, would that depress the membership right there? How much should it be? What would people actually be paying for? Why would they join PB2.0 for a fee when they can join Pb1.0 for free? They could ask Lambert's question "And we get?"

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Submitted by lambert on

is micro-lending or micro-financing of small projects, which generates content, which generates hits, which generates revenue, which generates micro-lending....

Which is where YOUR expertise comes in, FrenchDoc.

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Submitted by ohio on

I was thinking we may be able to create some down and dirty models and test them before locking itno any form. For example, if revenue is allocated based on number of views or number of comments or number of minutes unique visitors spend on a post. Or readers/commenters choose to "pay" for a blog by rewarding points. Sort of like an uprating system but with money.

Registered members may even have an allowance in---wait for it, the official PB2.0 currency---lambertos* (hahaha) every month that they're allowed to spend or give away. They decide where the value is.

At the end of a fiscal period, we tote up the lambertos and change it into dollars. Maybe 1,000 lambertos to a dollar or something. We may not be paying out much, but you have to start somewhere.

Revenue generation is a separate issue. I think there are many solid ideas we could start once there's a legal entity.

And everything must be transparent as possible.

*Doesn't have to be lambertos. I just think that's funny.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

Are you kidding? There HAVE to be Lambertos!

Lambert went from Dean of Corrente, to Reverend of the Holy Church of the Mighty Corrente Building, to a currency!

At 1,000 to the dollar?? We should peg this baby to the Euro considering the current economy, though.

So, Ohio, are you up for a post next week on some "down and dirty models??" ;-)... you got a whole week to think about what to write!!

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

....and here I was hoping for some hot porn action in the middle of endless posts about the Democratic convention!

Submitted by ohio on

Well, I reckon that should get his face on the currency. As soon as he rescues a puppy.

Value of a lamberto would have to be figured. I'm going to have to think this through. Normally, you'd peg the value by the total amount of currency. Say there are 1,000 lambertos in circulation. Say we've net $1,000. 1 lamberto = 1 dollar. Bloggers have received 893 lambertos from the readership. The rest is on account but theys till count.

but since exchange is part of the message---read, comment, spend your lambertos, we could emphasize that a lamberto is worth nothing if all you do is keep it. So if we net $1,000 and there are 1,000 lambertos but only 50 were spent by the readership, then a lamberto is worth $20.

Also, lambertos are only exchangeable only when spent. If you get an allowance of 10 lambertos, you can't turn them in for money. Perhaps even people can exchange dollars for lambertos. But once you've bought, you cannot exchange for cash. A lamberto is only good when it is being used.

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Submitted by lambert on

I just don't understand it.

And is there an example where this has been successfully used? Back in the day, I hung out with some alternative currency types, and it never did seem to come to anything, for whatever reason.

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Submitted by ohio on

I've never even heard of it, frankly. I'm familiar with alternative currencies, but that wasn't what I had in mind. I was trying to think of a way to value blogging to create a fair sharing of any revenues. (Call me an optimist---I think there may be a net to share at some point.)

I considered all the usual suspects: views, comments, links, reference, hell, even mentions of google or doing a googlefight. Time spent by unique users on a single blog is a good one because some things require more time to read and digest.

Then I thought that if we could give people some way of paying to show their appreciation. But it couldn't be out of their pockets literally otherwise they'd never spend. This had to show how PB2.0 values their time (give them an allowance) with which to use wisely (it's limited) to show how they value what they find on PB2.0.

But the currency only has value when it moves--when it is spent on something someone truly feels is worthy. Otherwise it's just a stupid game.

We've then created a points system by which to create a method of allocating any net revenue mirroring the value the readers put on the work. The readers can use any means they want to judge what is good or worthwhile---it frees the moderator from making those value judgments (other than the power to make something sticky, which they should have as part of their editorial powers).

I'm not saying this is the best or only way to do this. I just want to come up with a transparent, difficult to game, and inclusive way to allocate revenues. Letting your readers decide is one way to do it by letting them value the posts by whatever criteria they want.

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Submitted by lambert on

Do the kazoos/lambertos map to real (spendable) money? Or are they a way of allocating revenue from another source?

Will they discourage cross-linking? Why not? If they grow the pie, well and good, but if they don't....

I guess I could use a worked example. I'm not good with money.

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Submitted by ohio on

Assume the fiscal period is one month.

As a registered member, I get 10 lambertos a month. For me as a reader, a lamberto only has value when I've given it to someone. It is my way of handing out a gold star.

But the one who receives a lamberto---that's different. That lamberto can then be exchanged based on net revenues divided by the total number of lambertos that were spent that month.

A lamberto only has value when it is used. It accrues no interest. It is earned by membership first, blogging second, and possibly in exchange for services rendered. The key here is that the readership is valued. Their opinions matter, enough so that any money will be divided based on their opinions as expressed by the lambertos.

If as a reader you never spend your lambertos, they disappear. They are not part of the final acocunting, they can't be exchanged, and they can't be rolled over.

There are some downsides. One is that it may be possible to run out of lambertos before the month is up. Or along comes something unexpectedly wonderful or meaningful or worthy---in which case you can help spread the word or offer services to PB2.0 to earn some more lambertos to hand on.

I think the reason I'm drawn to this is that it's quantitative and in the hands of the readership.

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Submitted by lambert on

I like the idea of down and dirty models. Any metric is going to have to avoid being gamed. Not sure how to do that, except that good ol' SiteMeter hits are at least consistent. I'm not sure I like the idea of uprating, just because it reminds me of Kos.

I'm not sure I understand the allowance concept. What does an artifical (ha) currency buy (ha) you?

I also think that the system needs to be progressive as the tax system is -- like the NFL, the large markets must to some extent subsidize the small ones, otherwise there is no league. Like ticket sales vs. NFL properties.

Maybe each blogs finances are opaque, but there is a transparent fund???

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Submitted by ohio on

Honestly, don't you read the financial page?

A lamberto buys you the power to approve. To give weight. To emphasize where you see value. To reward hard work. A reader decides what to value and shows it with some lambertos.

It isn't a real uprating---I was flailing for a comparable technological exchange. And you're right---uprating has big problems because it is too eaily gamed.

But a lamberto has an advantage of being the same unit regardless of who tosses it in your collection plate.

Transparency means specifically all the money coming in and all the money going out. Where it came from and where it went. Literally, a fiscal period report available on an "About the Money" part of the site.

We may even be able to offer an accounting application and spot for PB2.0 blogs to share their financials as well. I don't know if you want to make that mandatory because progressives are so weird about money, but if we make the process transparent and easy to udnerstand, and offer Corrente as a model of ethical business practice, others may follow suit.

And no repetition of effort because we're offering the tools we've already put in place.

I don't think we need to subsidize right off the bat, but if you want, then I would suggest the entity request the subsidy be required to reveal all financials. I think this could be built into a business plan as part of the social investment commitment of a Creative Corp.

FD, the dirty modeling thing---I could probably pull some basic tests we could run to see if there's a way to create currency or valuation among readers toward bloggers. Views, comments, time spent---yes, I could knock something together on this. I don't have the programming skills, though.

When should we hang up this pinata and take a few whacks at it?

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If you can put together a set of requirements, we could then create a specification.

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Can PB2.0 include single author blogs or blogs that aren't quite ready to add authors?

Also, I'd like to address tone. Kindness and gentleness maybe. Avoiding hard-talking or needless slams.

While staying open to hearty and open discussions.

I know tempers will flare and feeling will get hurt but PB1.0 seemed to thrive on that....

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Whether individual, or group, that's opaque to the network.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

The point is to have a variety of blogs / topics / viewpoints represented, whether it's single-author or community blogs.

I would agree on tone which does not preclude vigorous, yet constructive, criticism when needed and appropriate.

Snark is ok as long as it's on point rather than snarky one-liners just for the sake of snarkiness. But I also think each blogger(s) should exercise whatever level of moderation they think is appropriate. Some blogs will have more moderation needs than others.

In a sense, PB2.0 could be NATO, come to the rescue if a member is under troll attack.

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would be to enable the IP addresses of trolls to be shared.

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Submitted by ohio on

We're going to need another list of benefits to member/sister/brother/sibling blogs. This is a great one.

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Submitted by vastleft on

"You might as well fall flat on you face as lean over too far backwards."

Civility is not our friend. How much damage has been done in recent years (and ever since the Messiah business opened shop) by a culture where people are afraid to call things, such as bullshit, what they are?

Treating people with fairness, and respect when it is due, I'm all for. But one of the whole points of blogs is to create a free-speech zone where you can put away the stultifying "niceness" of the traditional media and talk unvarnished truth.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

Calling bullshit is okay, in fact it's my hobby.

But when groups of commenters (or 1 + sockpuppets) gang up on someone to heap abuse, it has the effect of silencing dissent.

There needs to be some balance enforced by site moderators.

C&L used to be pretty good about it back when I hung out there. They would let a flame war go for a little, then tell everyone to move on.

There is also a huge difference between "That's a stupid fucking idea" and "You're a stupid fucking idiot."

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I don't really like the idea of controlling entry into PB2.0. That will inevitably, IMO, lead to corruption.

What is the problem now? For me its finding and keeping track of blogs that interest me. What I would like is to find out about new blogs and be able to track ones I like. There are lots of blogs out there that are in no man's land because of publicity shortfalls. Essentially, the only place for casual blogreaders are the high traffick sites because of their notariety.

My ideal would be something like a Netflix model. A way to search for blogs and be able to rate ones you like and don't like. This would only available to me--no public info--so that we don't end up with troll ratings. This gives the individual the power to chose what they want to read. I think this can benefit the less well known blogs and means the lil' guy/gal doesn't have to rely on links from well known blogs since they can directly compete with the bigger blogs, if done correctly (widget, search, personalized tracking/ rating).

Would we have to let in blog abusers? Probably, but the decentralized power from personalized ratings means if you find a site that you find abusive, you can stop going there and find another blog, which is what I have always done, but its always limited to blogs I accidentally stumble upon, e.g. Corrente.

I think my desired version would help me stumble on more blogs easier and more frequently. That's ONE of the things I'd like.

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Since money would be involved, it seemed to me that entry had to be controlled. I'm wondering if the currency (pay to uprate) might be a substitute for that.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

to have an Amazon.com-like tool ("You uprated Blog A. If you like Blog A, you might also like Blog B and Blog C"... and you take if from there).

Which might be an additional benefit (in addition to the NATO defense system): access to a (hopefully) large number of blogs you've never heard of. Then you can uprate them as well if you feel like it, and link to them from your own blog.

Submitted by ohio on

only of blogs. Harness the power of the readership to review blogs off the beaten track.

If we do the lambertos (I'm sorry, but that is too funny to me) thing, we could kick an extra 2 lambertos per review. The ratings systems could be on a resources page as part of PB2.0.

It also can serve as an entree for new bloggers to come here and consider getting onboard with PB2.0.

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Submitted by lambert on

One random thought:

I think it will be more easy to start out closed, then open, then it would be to start out open, then close.

Though I can imagine a "Join now" promotion. I wish Shystee were on this thread. He understands marketing.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by hipparchia on

i've thought a bit about the connectedness and the monetarization of blogging since participating in blogroll amnesty day...

1. i don't like the idea of needing to spend any more money as a prerequsite for participation in important discussions [we're already buying computers and paying for internet access to do this] but i do like the idea of selling stuff that's related [or not] to the blog content [seems to work for obama] to support a discussion space [the coffee mug, the lolspeak magnets, do want].

2. once you start selling your content [as opposed to stuff] you run into issues of using other peoples' content. right now, i have no qualms quoting freely, and sometimes extensively, from other [mostly bigger and/or commercial] sites/blogs. i don't participate in google's adwhateveritis, and i'm just a tiny little pipsqueak anyway, so along the lines of molly ivins rules about satire, i feel justified.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

Your [1.] goes to "and we get?" issue I raised upthread.

[2.]is also essential... would there be copyrights issues when you switch to for profit?

Heh... we're all tiny little pipsqueaks.

Submitted by ohio on

Except in marketing, which is all about profit, Fair Use doctrine applies as long as the guidelines are followed and you're acting in good faith.

Creative Commons licensing has other requirements---I'm not as familiar with it.

I am not a lawyerTM.

Edited to add: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

Submitted by hipparchia on

copyright issues are funny things, and i don't think you have to make a single penny to be in violation of some part or another of ip laws.

i'm still waiting for my deep purple boldly shrill polo shirt with the hamster on it....

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