Palin/Biden open thread
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Submitted by lambert on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 5:15pm
I'm torn. I don't want to listen, because I've got a lot to do, but I also don't want to rely on the boiz for my impressions. Also, it might be great threatre! Readers, what are you going to do? Would anyone like to live blog it?

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What if you become President?
Biden: What Obama wanted
Palin: What do you expect? We're both mavericks.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Heart beat stopping question.
Biden would carry out Obama's policies. Gives list.
Someone above said Biden is still running for president--agree.
Actually more precise than Obama usually is!
Gov's reply: Heaven forbid. McCain wants deliberative debate with VP, hasn't asked her to check her opinions at the door.
BTW, were the terrible performances in the Couric interviews a set up to make her look better when she actually debated?
she wins w/ that answer, i'd say --
he's Obama's puppet, and she's a partner.
DAmon, I agree. Biden is succinct, measured and on point
on many of the issues. I'm not sure if he's right all the time.
As much as I like Sarah Palin, I find her tedious, staged and cutesy. It's too bad because I really want her to succeed for the sake of women leaders. But I can't stand the winking, the references to main street and all the dropped "g"s.
I respectfully disagree that she is strong in this debate. Visually she comes off as tense with a tinge of "dear in the headlights."
"There you go again, dog gone it..." Yikes, she's quoting Ronald Reagan.
I love this job!
I don't see the deer in the headlights thing...
I can see how I could come to really hate her voice, like Bush's voice; but then I already hate Obama's voice.
Her flag lapel is bigger than McCain's and has decorations!
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"Now, Dogonit!"
Yes, she sounds like home, to me. She's so sweet she's making my teeth rot.
Joe, the Scranton line has to go
It's not working at all. It's time to put it out to pasture, it deserves a good rest.
he's so fake about it--Scranton, Home Depot, the gas station,
-- all sound fake.
Palin just quoted Ronald Reagan: "There you go again Joe..."
Barf :(
I love this job!
"Walk with me in my neighborhood"
Biden did well on that -- and if only they all hadn't just saddled the middle class they want to defend with the trillion dollar bailout. If McCain had found it in himself to vote No, that would have been a gamechanger....
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Lame Attempt At a Joke!
Ha! Palin is just great. Wrong in every single way, but great.
When Palin does the Fargo thing, she sounds great
But when she starts going too fast, she grates.
What chatty Cathies they both are, to be sure!
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Lambert, you get to the crux of things on replies to What If
The President Dies? question.
Biden muppet--
http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_mup...
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Sorry, no sale here. She's forced, harsh and lacks content.
Again, I was very much excited by her entry into the contest but she's really making it hard to respect her with her. I still want to see her succeed, it's important.
I love this job!
No question
She is not great, she is not fluid in her responses and not that quick on her feet, but she has managed to get a few jabs in.
Well, of course she lacks content!
She's a Republican. Or a Democrat. I forget now, it's all a blur.
What did Biden just say about one of his flaws being too much passion? He's sure not showing it tonight.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
On Ifill
I know she's been ripped apart, but this is so much better than the Jim Lehrer debate. Ifill seems to want them to answer questions. Jim wanted to see nothing more than a circus, and tried his damndest to make it so by egging them to fight each other.
I'm looking forward to the Brokaw presidential debate, the most, though. He seems the only one who's been able to keep his head, this year.
The wingers will rip into her for cutting Palin off
a couple of times, even if Palin was over time. But because Biden never got interrupted, it will give them fuel. Otherwise Ifill has been quite fair (with a few points off for too many foreign policy questions)
Tomorrow's narrative has already been written, me thinks
Seen on other blogs something along these lines:
"Biden was calm and confident and his years of experience really showed. Sarah Palin was uncomfortable and new she was way overmatched by Biden."
Obama prob faxed/emailed it to them all
too--
she's outperforming expectations tho--and he's not.
Or essentiall the words that
elixir keeps repeating. Note the lack of detail on specific instances demonstrating Palin's failures.
Hmmm...
... They don't seem to be tied to events in the debate in near-real time, do they?
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Everything she says sounds
Everything she says sounds like stuff said around the kitchen table she keeps talking about. Bromides, not policy. She and McCain are mavericks. They'll cure Wall St greed. They'll change the way things are done in Washington. Is she too young to have heard of the Keating five?
Yah, the right wing is already ecstatic because she didn't implode. But being elected Miss Congeniality in McCain's place doesn't mean people will think you could be Vice President or President.
Maybe Ifill is watching her questioning based on the charges of
favoritism. But, I agree, she's doing well.
Hooray!!
Now, will someone put Leher out to pasture?
Biden Chokes Up
...and it was very real.
oh please--his lobbyist son is facing jail?
his Banking Buddies lost a few million today in the market?
They both are doing well, it's refreshing
Biden has been very restrained, he hasn't rambled on and on, but been quite succinct. He's done a good job defending Obama's (and his) plans and record from the mischaracterizations/lies thrown around by the Palin/McCain camp.
Oooh, just called Cheney the most dangerous veep in US history. Go, Joe, Go!!!! I give him bonus points for that.
Palin has not fallen on her face. Her folksiness irritates me, she even threw in Reagan's "there you go again," and I personally think the refusal to correct the pronunciation of nukular and Eye-rack is deliberate, a shout out to the so-called real folks of red-state Amurrikah. That said, she has studied up a lot, and she's been relatively coherent.
Biden comes across as more impressive and knowledgeable. He wins on responses. That said, this will give a slight bump to McCain, only because things went south after last week's Palin interviews with Couric.
Re: the gay marriage thing - I know so many people are distressed by the stance of Obama et al (all of them), but looked at from another angle, both VP candidates, including the conservative one, acknowledged the legitimacy of same-sex relationships, and the need for legal equality. That's huge. The culture, it is a-changin'.
Yeah the Deer-In-The-Headlights Characterization
We've seen just isn't coming across, here. She does relatively poor interviews by Village standards, but she is not a shrinking violet in debates. Again, her biggest problem in national politics is that she's a normal human being; she doesn't speak Villagese.
Her cadence is also very different
from what most of us are used to hearing.
Biden does massive takedown on maverick
"Maverick he is not." Good. Should have been earlier.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Biden does massive takedown on maverick
"Maverick he is not." Good. Should have been earlier.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Damon, my first thought was uh oh, will the MCM give him the
Hillary treatment for showing that emotion?
Then I realized, no, bcz he's a guy, a longtime player in DC, and a frequent guest on all the talk shows. So, no. Plus, this year it's the Republicans' turn at the bottom of the barrel. Obama is getting the benefit of the doubt, never given to Gore, Kerry, or Hillary. Edwards they took our early with utter ridicule.
bs on the Judiciary stuff--he passed almost
all of Bush's picks to the floor for a vote--and it wasn't him who killed Bork. He let Bork go to the floor for a vote too.
Decisions you'd reverse?
Biden: Changed to suport judicial philosphy as criterion [long ago]
Palin: When I didn't cut taxes enough! But I don't need to change my mind on anything because we've been bipartisan in Alaska. [!!]
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
I'd rather have either of these two bozos in the WH than BO/JM.
I'd feel better with Joe Biden or Sarah Palin in the WH.
I love this job!
You Can Tell That Biden's...
...skin crawls when he hears Palin call McCain a maverick. He visibly bristles at that characterizations.
Biden & Passion
I disagree - I think he's been pretty feisty tonight about a number of things. I liked his take-down of the "maverick" label. He was very forceful (and effective) pointing out that in three weeks we spent more on Iraq than we have spent in 6+ years on Afghanistan (that I did not know).
I really don't want another president or vice-president who repeatedly says "folks". Palin: there are a lot of diverse folks in my family.
Ugh.
but he's gonna keep troops in Iraq--and escalate Afghanistan--
so what's the lie about spending good for ? he's not gonna reduce our spending in either place.
Changing the tone
Biden: Fundamental change we'll bring to tone is not question people's motive. Well, what would I know? I'm a racist. And bitterly clinging to my guns. Because I'm a paranoid holdout.
Palin: [Doesn't even answer, just does talking points!]
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
she was overrehearsed, but still wins--
the media made her out to be a redneck imbecile.
folks
oops, Biden just said "folks"
i like "folks"--
i detest tho, when they pronounce it "IN-surance" instead of "inSURance" and "nucular" instead of "nuclear"
If any of you were playing
drinking games based on the number of times the words "maverick" and "heck" were used, you'd have alcohol poisoning by now. "Doggonit" too.
Closing statements!
Palin: Fight for families like mine! I've always been proud to be an American! There's only on man who's fought for you, and that's John McCain!
Biden: A need for fundamental changeMR SUBLIMINAL Trillion dollar bailout Measure progress by whether can pay mortageHOLC "When you get knocked down, get up." Time for America to get up.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
And when you get knocked up
get down!
Could've been the tagline for Juno.
Fabulous! Biden does closing points and Palin smiles into camera
all I'm doing is looking at her. I can't take my eyes off her. I don't want to but it was psychologically compelling.
I love this job!
her fab highlights--
that's it--and that Biden looked decrepit by comparison.
She lit up the screen
and Biden sucked all the light out.
I wouldn't know about the fab highlights....
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
since i'm the shallowest here, trust me--
fab highlights --- and the lighting brought them out beautifully.
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