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ObamaCare Clusterfuck: At constituent dinner, Sanders commits to hearings for single payer, says Vermont's single payer waiver unlikely to be denied

(Readers, this is the follow-up for this post.) Our Vermont Correspondent writes:

I spoke with Bernie just after he arrived, while he was going around the room shaking hands.

Q: What assurance is there that between now and 2016 the forces of money won't or can't act to deny Vermont the waiver from the ACA?

SANDERS: Anything can happen. At any time. Having said that, I will say that I don't think it's likely.

Q: Why not?

A: Because they would have to mount a large initiative to repeal it--marshal a large number of groups across the board to gdt rid of it, and if they did manage to do it, the president will veto it [oh? --lambert].

Q: Why are you supporting S. 1782 [here; and here; and the House version, HR 1200] and not HR676, which already has strong support from many constituencies?[1]

A: There is a large constituency and support for this law [S915]. The support is there. [His tone seems to suggest that there is as much support for S915 as for HR676]. And I feel that this is a strong way to bring single payer forward because there are individual states that are ready to initiate their own versions of single payer.

Q: As [Jim] McDermott [House, D-WASHINGTON] does?

A: Yes.

Q: is there any possibility of getting hearings on either bill?[2]

A: Yes. there will be hearings [awesome! --lambert]. I've been talking with Tom Harkin who is on the [I forget which one he said] Committee and he is interested in getttng some hearings going. *

Q: When?

A: Can't predict, of course, but it's going to happen.

*Harkin is chair of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and of the Appropriations Committee for Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, so it could have been either, it went by me too fast and I didn't catch the name.

William Greider's piece "How to Revive the Fight for Single Payer" in the Nation explains more about McDermott's rationale for sponsoring S915. Greider's is a clear presentation.

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Other notes on the dinner:

During dinner, Sanders gave a short speech and took questions. One person asked about the Koch brothers, another asked about what he would do about the TPP. He began by saying he had fought hard to preserve Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and veterans benefits in this week's budget battle. Someone asked him what he thinks motivates people like the Kochs--the 1 percent. He said he thinks it is basically about power; we've only had 300 or 400 years of challenging the ability of kings and the monied class to do as they wished to those without power, and he thinks the 1 percent currently are trying to bring us back to that situation, where "I can bail you out if you're in trouble if I choose at my discretion, but if I don't want to I won't." It is about power. [No mention of a global neoliberal program, other than talking about how Washington is now in the grip of an extreme right wing.]

Sanders says, we have to pass a constitutional amendment to citizens united and law to limit campaign contributions.

In answer to another question, Sanders says he sees access to health care, unemployment, support when you're old, and equal rights for all -- e.g. women and african americans -- are all issues of human rights, that everyone is entitled to these things so that every person in society can have dignity.

He frames it all in terms of "It's very rough down there, and we are up against people who want to completely get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the minimum wage, the EPA."

He is working hard on funding for Meals on Wheels and "senior centers like this one."

A question is asked about the talking filibuster. He says, next term there will be a minimum wage debate and I think we should go for a vote of 50, which is how many we have, and just push it through rather than it having to be 60. That was his last comment.

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I happened (pure accident) to sit with someone who is a Navigator for Vermont Health Connect. She was talking enthusiastically about ObamaCare and all the people she is helping by talking them into signing up--self-employed people who are reluctant to sign up because they think they should be able to manage on their own, people who have had no coverage and are eligible for Medicaid. Also at the table was a guy who lives locally and works with the Vermont Workers' Center.

I brought up at the table (they didn't know I'd spoken with Bernie, as I had done so before they sat down with me) my concern about the waiver in 2017.

Navigator: It's true, anything can happen. but I think it's unlikely.

The Vermont Workers' Center guy agreed--he, too, thinks it is unlikely.

I: I'm concerned that after the fallout in the next election it could happen.

Navigator: What fallout?

I: The fallout from ObamaCare.

Navigator: Oh no, the fallout is going to be positive!! We [the Democrats] are going to win in 2014!!

I: I disagree. I think a lot of people are going to be unhappy when they find out about the narrow networks, the high copays, the high deductibles, and people are still going to be going bankrupt under this system.

The Navigator started throwing a lot of numbers at me, how hospitals are willing to make payment plans, and how the maximum amount a family would have to pay for a major health expense is [i THINK she said] $12,000.

The person I came with (a social worker), to me: What? That's a lot of money! [calculating] ... I couldn't afford that.

I: That would bankrupt me.

Surprised look on the face of the person opposite me, and no response from the Navigator next to me, as she turned back to her conversation with the person on her other side.

In another part of the conversation, I said I thought the biggest problem re: Vermont single payer process right now is getting information on what is going forward. The Vermont Workers Center guy told me they have people on all the key legislative committees and are watching and participating in the process very closely. Also on MLK day, they are having panels around the state for people to present their stories and learn about what is happening in the process, with panelists from the state who presumably will answer questions. This sounds good, and it will be available via community TV afterward.

Thanks for this report!

NOTE I did some formatting, very light copy editing, and added some notes, but otherwise this report appears as received. Vermont Correspondent also writes: "Please bear in mind this is not an exact report. I wrote down what he (and others) said as best I could from my memory, which is unfortunately no longer perfect. I think i have caught the gist of everything, but many of the words are reconstructed by me after the fact without adequate notes."

NOTE [1] Hat tip, marym.

NOTE [2] Hat tip, DCBlogger.

UPDATE Bill number corrected.

Average: 5 (2 votes)


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Submitted by Splashoil on

Yep, me too. Banned by some jerks who simply refuse to engage with old Splashoil and his "RW memes." Thanks to Lambert at least I get the information, but the Obots have us choked off from "the vulnerable and unengaged." I can go there and lurk, but cannot speak or rate anyone who can. Not a model for success either for them or us. History will not be kind.

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Submitted by Splashoil on

Including potential waivers for "States Single Payer" seems to have invested SP supporters in Obamacare. So as Sanders suggests, we must all rally to protect the ACA to save a possible waiver from it. Was Sanders confusing a repeal of Obamacare with a repeal of the waiver option or is that part of the grand scheme?
Sanders has left a number of rentiers in the "State Single Payer" scheme. Is he including their support as a positive force? The more I look at this, it does seem like just another time wasting road back to the same place.

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Submitted by Rainbow Girl on

I agree, and for the reasons you mention.

Also, this Q&A quoted in the main post is -- to me, anyway -- a dead giveaway that Sanders is addressing questioners with weasel-speak, when a simple, clear answer would have been easy.

Reproducing the Q&A here for easy reference:

Q: Why are you supporting S. 1782 [here; and here; and the House version, HR 1200] and not HR676, which already has strong support from many constituencies?[1]

A: There is a large constituency and support for this law [S915]. The support is there. [His tone seems to suggest that there is as much support for S915 as for HR676]. And I feel that this is a strong way to bring single payer forward because there are individual states that are ready to initiate their own versions of single payer.

But what is the point of "individual states that are ready to initiate their own versions of single payer," if those versions preserve any role for insurance companies in a health care system?

I can't tell yet if Sanders is really just a totally captured puppet still mouthing a few sops to the remaining true progressives just to keep himself on the Senate Saddle until retirement -- with FEHB, Tricare, etc.

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Submitted by quixote on

In California, single payer legislation got as far as the Gov's desk twice ... but only when the Gov was the Gropinator and he promptly vetoed it. Since Brown has been in, no more attempts to pass single payer. (Eenteresting, as they say in the old movies.)

But, anyway, if anyone actually wanted to solve the problem, I can see that if, say, CA and NY went single payer, it would just be a matter of time for the rest of the country.

You've gotta be an incurable optimist to be even a bit honest and progressive and continue serving in Congress, so maybe that's what Sanders is thinking.

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Submitted by Rainbow Girl on

Maybe. I'm perhaps more cynical than warranted about Sanders.

Here's The People of NYS and California creating an irresistible tsunami to Single Payer devoid of Tapeworm Intermediaries (Insurance Companies). Here in NYS, we'll have to get rid of Upchuck Schumer, Gilly the Brand and a few other "electeds" who couldn't stand up if it weren't for FIRE (including Insurance) cash holding up their vertebral columns.

Following Brown from a very long distance, he has sounded like a specimen from the same gutter swamp as other prominent Neo Liberal lackeys (Obama, the Wisconsin Gov., Booker, et al.). Another disgrace working hard to use elected office in order to wipe out the 99%.

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Submitted by Rainbow Girl on

Edit "Here is to NYS and CA ..."

Adding: Here in NYS we will also have to get rid of most, if not all, of the state legislature which is pretty much in business are a result of Insurance Co largesse doled out in exchange for "empathetic regulation" (Translation: Legislator to GHI or to Emblem or Cigna: "Whatever you want, and anything else I can throw in. Anytime.")

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Submitted by Splashoil on

Read the first Greidler piece and then a second about "Why the left must support the ACA." Lots of Tapeworm advertising over there. That was a tell... We now have so many plans to choose from, What could possibly go wrong?