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Obama VP handicapping

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What are the chances that Obama will pick a VP who might impress "holdout" Democrats (a list of such candidates, IMHO, would include Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold, and Al Gore)?

What are the chances that he'll pick someone to the right of Hillary (Bayh, Kaine, etc.)?

I've been assuming the latter, but a friend suggested that the text-message / e-mail signup business might signal that something unexpected is up. Could be, who knows? Something's coming.

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Submitted by oceansandmountains on

the Dem base, there's no way he would pick anyone who actually appeals to the base. This guy acts like it's already in the bag. It's gotta be someone who makes him seem really experienced (which will make this very very interesting).

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Submitted by DCblogger on

all VP speculation is wankery. What galls me is that netroots blames Clinton for Bayh, like Obama would pick Bayh because the Clinton's forced him to. Like Obama is never responsible for his actions. It is a lot like Reagan.

It won't be Gore, why would Gore go through another national campaign just to be VP? He's done that.

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Submitted by vastleft on

Wankery is sex with someone I love!

I'm having a hard time seeing Obama doing the right thing here, but maybe maybe maybe someone in his campaign is smart enough to try to shore up his cred with, you know, Democrats.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

Hmmmm?

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Submitted by goldberry on

You know, do whatever the hell you want, never back down. Even if your base absolutely HATES it, do it anyway. Stick your finger is their eyes repeatedly. What are they going to to about it? Give them a choice between a rock and a hard place and force them to choose the unpalatable to the reprehensible. They've got nowhere else to go and anyway, by the time they figure out what you're doing, you'll have moved
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That's what's going on here. He's not going to pick anyone we like. It actually strengthens Hilary's hand.
The question is, will the SDs let Dean and Obama get away with it? Or will they call a halt to it now before the "shrieking band of paranoid holdourts" do in November?
Come together at The Confluence

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Submitted by Card-carrying_B... on

Bloomberg? Richardson?

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Submitted by amberglow on

he's not gaining in the polls and will turn off voters no matter who he picks--especially if it's for the same reasons they sold Bush with--that he'll be surrounded by "experienced/establishment/wisemen/etc" who have been in DC/Govt for decades.

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Submitted by BoGardiner on

Obama is giving maximum time to allow the unity drug to mix into the Kool-aid. By downplaying rumors of her as the pick, he's lowered the volume on the media/netroots derangement and bought her time to demonstrate she is (gasp!) the unifying, supportive force the rest of us knew she would be all along. Folks who keep up the bashing will lose face once the convention makes very clear that CDS is no longer cool or productive. Of course CDS will continue, but be increasingly pushed to the fringes.

It wasn't Obama's plan all along, but at some point someone on his campaign got up the nerve to actually show Obama the polls.

(Freely admitting my guess is worth exactly as much as anyone else's at this point, which is nuthin'. And that I've been called endearingly optimistic at times. And unprintable things at other times.)

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Submitted by amberglow on

(and meanwhile, he's already made the Clintons the story of the Convention anyway, so they win automatically--and we win too--both Clintons will talk real issues and solutions--and not just "change" and "unity" bs)

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Submitted by Davidson on

My money's on Kaine. There's no way in hell he'll pick anyone who'll appeal to the Democratic base.

I no longer give a fuck about the race. I honestly don't. Either McCain or Obama will be epic failures. America is a lost cause.

Submitted by lambert on

Here.

IIRC, Kaine's pro-life, the better to pander to evangelicals, so now we really need that list of Supreme Court nominees from Obama.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by oceansandmountains on

The upside to no longer giving a rip about who becomes president is that my leisure reading time has expanded significantly and I'll get lots o' sleep on Election Day evening.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

I'm increasingly of the view that we are screwed no matter what. McCain is bad bad bad on policy. Obama has characteristics I find anathema to what a president needs. He's not addressing my concerns, only digging the hole deeper. He had a very, very simple task and failed. I guess I shouldn't have expected much from someone willing to win the nomination the way he did.

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Submitted by Davidson on

Did someone say, "Digging the hole deeper?"

As long as we hold firm to basic core principles, compromise is nothing to fear! Mind you, "compromise" means bailing out repeated vows to uphold principle and vote against bills like FISA. To get things done! Honestly, to be so damn rigid about these petty issues is comparable to acting like a ruling tyrant! (True, ruling tyrants are quite fond of surveillance societies, but that's besides the point: Iraq! McCain's worse! ZOMG!)

Oh, and yes, I noticed that his patronizing attitude towards women, in particular, seems like it's stuck on stupid.

Submitted by lambert on

Somebody should find that questioner and see if she felt answered. She seems to have believed that Obama wasn't a calculating centrist.

Two minutes selling a new war in Afghanistan?

On FISA [paraphrasing]: "Tools we need to protect us... Under Constitution and the rule of law. ... Original version didn't do that, since no court. ... I opposed original in part because of immnity, but main reason lack of exclusivity provision. New bill has exclusivity. Not happy telcos let off the hook. Most important point is somebody is overseeing the President. I intend to get things done. So, sometimes we're going to have to compromise. Compromise is OK as long as you don't compromise your core principles." Blah blah blah.

What a load of crap. What's the point of having the oversight, if people who break the law get retroactive immunity?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

Obama has dragged the whole process out for so long with all his test marketing, each option worse and more depressing than the last, that deep-bone fatigue has set in. Even if he picks Clinton, I'm not sure I can muster even an iota or two of caring.

The text messages weren't a signal he's picking Clinton -- he won't -- it was throwing candy to the KA Kids. They knew they wouldn't be announcing for the week he was on vacation, and what with being out of the public eye (vaguely), he had to do something or he'd fall off their short-attention-span radar entirely. Oh the burdens of being a g*d to the new digi-hip generation!

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

Obama is like, sooo five minutes ago.

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Submitted by Damon on

For such a climatic presumptive nominee, his choice of vice president will be anti-climatic, for me. I really don't care. I'm still in a state of disbelief that he is the one choosing a vice president. He simply can't win given where he is in his life, right now. If he chooses someone in his own peer group it'll simply compound the idea of youthfulness as a detraction to the ticket. If he chooses a more experienced and older individual they'll end up looking like a baby sitter.

He's right, our time is now. I'm just not so sure that his time is now.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

By the time they text the VP pick to Obamanation the only people that care will be the ones that are disappointed.

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Submitted by Damon on

The text messaging of the pick fits so perfectly into his style. It speaks volumes of the seriousness of the whole campaign. I guess this means we'll be texting in our votes, American Idol-style, come November, too, then?

Silly old people; votings for kids.

BTW, will he be texting us to let us know when we're getting our ponies? I'm so damned tired of waiting for my pony. I want my pony, now.

Submitted by lambert on

That demographic is already strongly in his favor, so it doesn't win him any new votes. Then again, I imagine that's not the objective; it's probably just another fundraising gimmick, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Actually, I shouldn't be sour on it; it's a neat use of new technology that we ought to be leveraging; it's just.... Well, by now people know my views on cell phones.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

The Church of the Mighty Corrente should burn users at the stake.

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Submitted by vastleft on

We'd all be locked in phone cells. And you don't want to know what he's going to do to the PowerPoint users!

Submitted by lambert on

... thy vital bodily fluids by using cell phones, or associating with those who do. They are an abomination unto The Lord, If Any.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Davidson on

According to Halperin. How the hell is that "Change you can believe in?" And won't it look like the little kid with an adult supervisor?

Ugh. Let's just get this whole sham of an election over with.