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Obama undercuts the "HCR [High Corporate Returns] makes health care a right" talking point the "progressives" are pushing

The real antidote will come with performance, but since the Dems, for some reason, have put off real implementation until 2014, at least, all we have to go on is the words of the greatest orator of our time. And weaselly, mealy-mouthed and parseable words they are, to be sure:

[OBAMA] “We have now just enshrined, as soon as I sign this bill, the core principle that everybody should have some basic security when it comes to their health care.”

Right to health care? If Obama though this bill did that, we would have said it. What the Fuck does "some basic security" mean? I'll tell you what it means:

It means the right to be forced to pay a corporation for a defective product. That's what it means.

NOTE Remember how it was like pulling teeth to get Obama to say health care "should be" a right in the primaries? Ultimately, he lied manfully, but gosh, was it difficult.

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Submitted by votermom on

I was just xposting a thought I had about right vs privilege ... here it goes:

I was reading a series of historical books where the theme applies to the HCR bill.

Is access to health care a right or a privilege?

If you think it is privilege then you probably think the HCR bill is a good thing because it expands the group of people to have this privilege. Of course it is expensive but privileges are, after all, expensive.

If you think health care is a right, then you know the HCR bill is step back. Because what this bill does is further parcel up access to health care; it says one group should get less, another group should pay more, and another group should profit from all. A right that is divided and parceled is no longer a right but a privilege. The HCR bill denies that we are humans and defines us as monetary resources to be forever exploited by profiteers.

Submitted by jawbone on

for Medicare/SocSec -- sound familiar???

Social Security is not that tough. We know what the problems are, my friends, and we know what the fixes are. We've got to sit down together across the table. It's been done before.

I saw it done with our -- our wonderful Ronald Reagan, a conservative from California, and the liberal Democrat Tip O'Neill from Massachusetts. That's what we need more of, and that's what I've done in Washington.

Sen. Obama has never taken on his party leaders on a single major issue. I've taken them on. I'm not too popular sometimes with my own party, much less his.

So Medicare, it's going to be a little tougher. It's going to be a little tougher because we're talking about very complex and difficult issues.

My friends, what we have to do with Medicare is have a commission, have the smartest people in America come together, come up with recommendations, and then, like the base-closing commission idea we had, then we should have Congress vote up or down.

Submitted by jawbone on

Brokaw: Quick discussion. Is health care in America a privilege, a right, or a responsibility?

Sen. McCain?

McCain: I think it's a responsibility, in this respect, in that we should have available and affordable health care to every American citizen, to every family member. And with the plan that -- that I have, that will do that.

But government mandates I -- I'm always a little nervous about. But it is certainly my responsibility. It is certainly small-business people and others, and they understand that responsibility. American citizens understand that. Employers understand that.

But they certainly are a little nervous when Sen. Obama says, if you don't get the health care policy that I think you should have, then you're going to get fined. And, by the way, Sen. Obama has never mentioned how much that fine might be. Perhaps we might find that out tonight.

Obama: Well, why don't -- why don't -- let's talk about this, Tom, because there was just a lot of stuff out there.

Brokaw: Privilege, right or responsibility. Let's start with that.

Obama: Well, I think it should be a right for every American. In a country as wealthy as ours, for us to have people who are going bankrupt because they can't pay their medical bills -- for my mother to die of cancer at the age of 53 and have to spend the last months of her life in the hospital room arguing with insurance companies because they're saying that this may be a pre-existing condition and they don't have to pay her treatment, there's something fundamentally wrong about that.

There's that "should be a right" --weasely, indeed.

"Should be," but clearly to Obama it isn't -- or he would have had a whole different approach to his #1 issue.

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Submitted by MoveThatBus on

He has no answer for today's experiences, so he falls back on one of the embellished stories of his youth that made his escort up the ladder to success appear rags to riches.

Submitted by Anne on

every time Obama tells that story about his mother on the phone with insurance companies in the last month of her life, I want to ask, "And where were you, Barack? You were an associate at Sidley Austin, married to Michelle, and it's not like you couldn't have helped her - whether by advocating for her with the insurance companies, or easing her worries and stress by helping her financially." He leaves us with this picture of him on the sidelines watching his mother suffer - and he has no idea that that's how he comes across.

I think he made it up, because someone who cares about family as much as he says he does would have said, "In the last month of her life, when the insurance companies were making my mother's life even harder than it already was, I went to bat for her, told her not to worry about the bills, paid them myself, so she could end her journey with some peace, and I did that because that's what families do for each other. I was fortunate to be in a position to do it, but what I would really like to do is reform the system so that no one has to go through an experience like that."

I know that his mother did die of cancer, but I think he fabricated the rest of it to score points. Too bad he doesn't realize that those points are negative ones.

Makes my teeth ache.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

Hell, my mother wasn't even dying from cancer, but I was a hell of a lot more involved with her treatment, recovery, and subsequent fights with the insurance companies than he sounds when he tells that story.

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Submitted by MoveThatBus on

with Obama is that everyone in his life is only there to do what they can for him. Thank goodness his mother at least gave him the foundation for this story he tells. I wonder how many PhD's on food stamps wait to buy health insurance until after they have become ill.

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Submitted by madamab on

The death of a parent is a life-changing event, and starts the surviving child (or adult, in my case) on a long and painful journey towards emotional independence and healing.

I cannot see any signs of Obama having gone through this in the way he tells this story. It's as if it happened to someone else.

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Submitted by votermom on

First of all, (((madamab))))

I lost my mom as a teen, and my dad before I was first grade, and as many people say, it's a hole that never really fills.

Obama strikes me as someone who has managed to compartmentalize his feelings very well. It's a coping method but leads to a loss of the capacity for empathy.

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Submitted by MoveThatBus on

not being around. An article about him and his mother during the primaries quoted a high school friend of his mother on the topic of him publishing his first book (Dreams of My Father). The high school friend said she had asked his mother if she was upset by the book, and her response was that he needed to deal with that part of his life.

If anyone remembers the lackluster reaction Obama had at the convention when his daughters "surprised" him via satellite, or the monotone drawl he used when he opened a speech with "Malia and Sasha, I love you more than you know," it's pretty clear that Obama sees only what people are here to do for him, not what he has to give them.

Submitted by jawbone on

her not keeping his biological father around, to me, seems to also be directed at lefties in general. His mother was a highly motivated, adventurous scholar from what I've read, but probably seen by him as a DFH, and a selfish one at that. Hence, all DFH's are selfish...or close to that. And should not be given much attention by him.

Absolutely gut reaction, based on what I've read about him, his father, and his body language and voice tones.

Submitted by Anne on

His mistrust of and contempt for women has to go back to (1) being abandoned by his father, and (2) being effectively abandoned by his mother and (3) probably blaming her for all of it.

Also explains why I think, at bottom, he is deeply insecure and seeks approval the way he does as a way of proving that he's good enough not to be abandoned.

Why don't more functional people ever get elected?

Submitted by Lex on

We were having a knock down drag out conversation at Scholars and Rogues the other day and a few of us decided that we were pretty much unelectable.

Maybe the functional are not very electable, because they're functional. Because they don't naturally behave in all those dysfunctional ways that make for a modern, American politician...the lying, etc. Whereas all that is pretty much SOP for the dysfunctional.

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Submitted by Stephanie on

...then I must not be either. Cuz every time I've heard him repeat that story of his mother having to deal with the insurance co during the last month of her life, I've wondered: And the heck were You? Couldn't You have dealt with the phone calls and bargaining (maybe he could have struck a bi-partisan deal!). And where was his mother while she was making these phone calls -- in the hospital, in hospice since she was dying?

Having dealt with close family members dying in the past, and some of the insurance b.s. at the time, I've never bought his story as believable, unless he wanted to portray himself as a distant, uncaring son.

And by the way, any chance he paid the bills that kept arriving after his mother's death?