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Nora Guthrie talks about Alice's Restaurant, Arlo and Woody

In my family, one of the Thankgiving traditions was to play Alice's restaurant, herewith:

For this Thanksgiving, the Unknown Transcriber was kind enough to give us the text of an interview with Arlo Guthrie's sister, Nora. I like the story of Arlo being a "ringleader."

BBC Radio 4 segment posted Tuesday, November 13, 2012


NORA GUTHRIE: I'm his younger sister. Yeah, he's 2½ years older than me. I mean, I remember hearing it at least a year before he recorded it. He would come home and play it, and it was very funny. I mean, Arlo always wrote a lot of goofy kind of songs like that, so it was one among a lot of other goofy things that he was doing in those days. You know, he was all of 16, 17, 18 when he was playing music with his little band already, and always had a really funny sense of humor, so it was kind of, for us, it was kind of another one of Arlo's funny songs, you know? And I knew all the cast of characters because that was his teachers and his friends, you know, all of the kids that were involved in the story. They were real people, you know, real friends. So I had grown up with them all.

Arlo singing: You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant. You can get anything you want...

NORA: He was at a party with Alice and Ray at their house for Thanksgiving, and they, the day later, they took out the garbage and dumped it, illegally, someplace (laughs), and got arrested for it, got picked up. I remember them calling my mother to tell her that Arlo was in tr– I'm not sure if it was Arlo or the cops or somebody was calling my mom and saying he's been arrested for littering or something. So this story is actually probably 85% or 90% actual fact. And it's the way he tells it to you, the way he delivers it, that makes it sound so bizarre. And maybe that is part of Arlo's talent is taking reality and showing you how bizarre reality can be.

Arlo singing: ...the bell tower like that. They got a lot of room downstairs where the pews used to be, seeing as how they took out all of the pews. And having all that room down there, they decided that they didn't have to take out their garbage for an extra special long time. Having all that garbage in there, we decided that it would be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the town dump.

NORA: I think the thing that really made it was Arlo, his timing, his sense of humor. He was always making up, since he was a little kid, he was always making up alternative universes (laughs) that he was living in. And like I said, the word "ringleader" comes to mind. I mean, when we were little, just on the streets outside where we would play with the friends, Arlo was always the ringleader, like inventing stories and let's do this. And I remember he had this one ride that he invented, and he basically took a shopping cart from a supermarket and he would put you in the shopping cart and race you all up and down the block and over bumps and making sharp right turns and left turns and just doing everything to kind of scare the pants off of you. And he would charge a nickel. And all the kids, all the kids would get in the – you know, want to get in the shopping cart – you know, "It's my turn! It's my turn!" And it was called the Hairy Scary Safari ride. (laughs) And he just had this way of, first of all, just making up funny titles and putting words together in funny ways. And his timing and his wit were – it kind of, it keeps surprising you what happens next, it keeps surprising you, kind of like a great writer would do.

But, you know, it's funny, because it wasn't until many, many, many, many years later I heard a recording, I would say about maybe four years ago, I heard, my first time, I heard a recording of my father performing in front of a live audience, which I had never heard before. Someone had made a tape of it. And I can't tell you how parallel Arlo was in his timing, in his delivery, etcetera. And I had heard my father's songs, obviously, all my life, but I had never heard him as a performer. And it turns out like he would introduce his songs with these 15-minute comic deliveries of how he made up the song, and why he did it, and his timing, and the words that he would use. And it was so almost exactly the way Arlo delivers a song. Which is basically Alice's Restaurant is an 18-minute introduction to a 30-second song called Alice's Restaurant. It's basically an introduction, you know? (laughs) But the introduction is more interesting than the song. But I don't know if it's genetically – I don't think he ever heard Woody perform, so he didn't get it from that. But it's like this weird genetic thing where he's just almost, you know, the exact image of, the exact sound of how my father would perform.

Arlo singing: ...story about it. And they was using up all kinds of cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer station. They was using plaster tire track, footprints, fingerprints, dog-smelling prints, and they took 27 8x10...

NORA: Oh, my dad would have loved it, because I think my dad would have said, "That's my boy. That's my boy. You know, he got my sense of humor, he got my timing, he got all of that stuff." And it's just kind of really bizarre to me, because like I said, Arlo never really heard Woody perform in his prime. Woody was in the 1940s when he was in his prime, and Arlo wasn't born until the late '40s, so he wasn't even conscious, you know, a kid, until he was in the 1950s, so there's no way he would have heard Woody perform. And I just think it's really eerie sometimes how much his humor and everything is just so much like my dad's. I think my dad would just love it. He would be cracking up with us.

Arlo singing: ...we sat down. Obie looked at the 27 8x10" colored glossy photographs with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us, then looked at the seeing eye dog, then looked at the judge...

NORA: One of Arlo's chief features is his twisted humor. And I say that in the best sense of the word, where he takes something that's really kind of tough and hard and serious and manages to kind of twist it around, and you find yourself laughing at the thing that made you upset an hour ago. And I've also discovered over the years that my father was very good at doing that. Somebody told me this story, when he was in the merchant marines and the ship he was on was being torpedoed, and there were like 2,000 guys down in the hold in the ship that they were bringing over to Europe, soldiers. And my dad went down there to quote unquote entertain them, to calm them down. And what song did he choose to sing? The Sinking of the Reuben James. And everyone's looking at him, his friends are like, "Are you nuts? Why are you singing that song? That's crazy!" And it was so bizarre that he's singing, "Oh, the good ship went down, and what were their names, tell me what were their names." It was just so bizarre and crazy that everyone started cracking up laughing, and then the soldiers got up and started dancing, "What were their names? Did you have a ship–" You know, "Did you lose a friend on the good Reuben James?"

So Arlo also seemed to inherit that kind of, uh, you know, ability to turn something upside down so that you find yourself in a bizarre situation where you're laughing at something that was terrifying to you, and that certainly was the draft in the 1960s to so many kids, when there still was a draft in the United States then. And Arlo was kind of getting prepared, you know. He was of age, and I think he was preparing himself for what was he going to do when his day came and he got the letter in the mail. And one of the ways he could deal with it was by creating this incredibly long and silly, stupid (laughing), crazy, bizarre song that, of all the reasons that he doesn't get drafted is because he was littering. You know? So, I don't know, he just has that kind of sense of humor. Always has.

Arlo singing: You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant...

NORA: I try not to listen to it too much these days (laughing), but – it's such a long song. But the thing is is that even now when he performs it, every couple of years he pulls it out, I sit there laughing, and I can't believe that after all these years I'm still laughing. I don't know if it's the delivery, his performance, I don't know what it is, but it still cracks me up. And I keep thinking, "Oh, I never want to hear that again," and then he plays it again and I crack up again. But that's kind of always been my relationship with Arlo, he's always cracked me up since I was a little kid. It's just one of those things, like on one hand you say, "I can't get enough of it," and on the other hand you say, "Stop! Stop!" (laughs) But I, I imagine him, when he has to do it all the time – and one of the things that always amazes me about him as a performer is that he always sounds like he's singing it for the very first time.

Arlo singing: You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant, excepting Alice. You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant. I said, walk right in, it's around the back, just a half a mile from the railroad track. You can get anything that you want at Alice's Restaurant, da da da da da da da da, at Alice's Restaurant.

UPDATE Adding, the song is very much of that moment in time, 1967, isn't it?

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