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Readers, thoughts, alternatives, or improvements? Better flowers? Plantidote flowers?

The flower is, of course, the "Zinn"ia.

UPDATE There needs to be more than one zinnia in the image, for obvious reasons. A field of zinnias would be best, I think, but I'm not sure. I like seeing the petals and sepals as well.

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Submitted by goldberry on

Doesn't it go without saying? Does putting a "non Violence" logo on your blog set you apart from other blogs who are advocating "violence"? And which blogs would they be? Would such a logo lead to a form of social coercion? It kind of reminds me of the cosmetics companies that advertise themselves as "cruelty free", implying that everyone else making cosmetics is somehow party to an orgy of cruelty.
It's entirely up to you but the logo would just add clutter to your page and solidify a kind of identity that may box you into a corner if circumstances change. Like Gandhi thinking there was a way for Jews to submit to Nazi Germany that would spare them genocide.
I've always thought it was mistake for the left to be so militantly non violent. It seems to go against a sense of self preservation and makes us look foolish to the people we're trying to attract to our side. We're not stupid enough to go to war for no good reason. Can't we just leave it at that?

Submitted by lambert on

.... I don't have any of those use cases in mind. I just want to know what people think of the logo as a logo.

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I don't think the left is militantly non-violent at all; I think there is a great deal of romantic foolishness that identifies throwing a brick through a Starbucks window with revolutionary change. I'm also pragmatic, and in at least two ways: (1) A reputation for non-violence is a strategic asset for a movement; (2) the looting classes want violence, is prepared for violence, and thirsts for, lusts for violence. I don't think it makes sense to attack an enemy where they are strongest. (We should also factor that elite view into any coverage that non-violent action gets.)

I also think that people who are in favor of killing their political enemies should come right out and say what they mean. Do you believe in that? Of course, it's a trick question, since anybody who says that in an open forum on the Internet is a either a fool or a plant. The first one to advocate violence is always the cop....

There's an oft-updated listing of the 198 Tactics of Non-Violence and Persuasion here, with many examples.

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Submitted by goldberry on

who wants to kill their political enemies. Unless you're talking about crazy right wing nutcase Republicans who get it into their heads that hangin's too good for some libruls.
(too funny, I had a conversation with my extremely conservative sister who accused me of being a libertarian. I had to correct her and tell her she was more libertarian than me and that I am a liberal. You could have heard a pin drop. She so didn't want to believe it. It was like admitting you are one of the damned)

As far as violence goes, I doubt you're going to influence the first person to throw a Molotov cocktail through a shop window. Those of us who read political blogs are not like normal people and it is the regular, everyday folks who have decided they've had enough who erupt. Tunisia was undone by a fruit vendor. Non violence logos have zero impact on volatile situations like that.

Personally, I prefer the ballot box as long as that method is viable. Not sure it is anymore. We'll see. But in any case, if you want to do the whole non violence thing, the peace sign is just as effective. As far as I know, it hasn't lost its meaning after the summer of love,

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Submitted by par4 on

the good old peace symbol. When I saw NV my first thought was North Viet Nam.

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Submitted by goldberry on

My 15 year old and her friends were all over the peace symbol a few years ago. It's as familiar as the ying yang and pi. Everyone instantly knows what it means.

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Submitted by par4 on

could be, but go ahead and add the 'A' to the end of it then focus group test it.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

Not sure how well I can describe this, but how 'bout if you make the N and the V slanty/ital, and actually use the whole words?

Not all written out, but take the N -- say the N is 50 pt font. Starting around right-center, have "on" in dark letters, in a scrawly font of aroungd 12-14 pts. Then do the same with the V and "iolence".

Because I just don't think the letters N and V shout out the word Non-violence, hyphen or no. But by making the rest of the words small and incorporated into the logo, people will start to make the association.

Ugh, sorry, I just don't have time to mess with the images to express this.

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Submitted by propertius on

Given the amount of MSM coverage of the "Wall Street Occupation", I think you may need to find a logo that encapsulates the notion of utter futility. Perhaps an unemployed person battering his or her head against a brick wall while a kleptocrat rifles through his/her pockets?

Submitted by lambert on

Not head, wall but water, stone.

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Submitted by propertius on

I'm just in a "when the last Congresscritter is strangled with the entrails of the last investment banker" (pace Diderot) sort of space today. ;-)

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Submitted by quixote on

NVA wouldn't work for me either. It's not a common enough acronym for me to know what it means, and I'm probably not alone.

I assume it's Non-Violent Action? But you don't want the logo beholder thinking "NVA? WTF? Oh, maybe it's...? Or?" You want them thinking "Yeah!"

How about something along the lines of sprout-cracking-pavement? I'm no artist, so take the drawing with heaps of imagination. I'm thinking of something along these lines:

nonviolence logo

You could get artistic with flowers vining up the green. :D

Submitted by lambert on

It's a circular flower, so it has an inclusive shape. It would also lend itself to stylization, as in a mandala.

Submitted by hipparchia on

it would ppear to be non-generational, as somebody in approximately the gen-x age group put up a large [~5ft tall] peace symbol sculpture in their front yard here in my town recently.

Submitted by jawbone on

within the borders of the peace symbol circle, other copy as appropriate -- name of particular non-violent action and dates. Maybe a Zinn-ia or two placed somewhere.

Or solid peace symbol, against a background of flowers or photos of MLK, Ghandi, recognizable nonviolence activists, with the copy "Non-Violent Action" beneath the peace symbol.

Use to ID posts about non-violent action.

(Does NTodd use any particular symbol?)