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To quote Reverend Lovejoy: "I never thought I'd be doing this again."

But go read Kos... and a MoveOn.org dude at Huffington Post.

I am as serious as an attack of buyer's remorse.



(h/t wasabi in comments)

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Submitted by lambert on

Haw. Lord Kos:

So Obama showed weakness by caving to right-wing bullying taunts (thrilling our political foes), disrespected his base, gave Fox a propaganda victory, exposed his campaign as a bunch of liars who promised something their candidate was clearly incapable of delivering, and defended the Democratic spinelessness that gave us the most ridiculous Supreme Court in generations.

I won't pretend to guess whether this helps him in Indiana or not. It may or it may not. And since I've never put Obama on a pedestal, this doesn't knock him down. What this does demonstrate, and quite clearly so, is that Obama is quite willing to score cheap political points at the expense of his base, regardless how much it might embolden the very same people that are working to demonize him to the American people.

Does this mean that we can have make-up sex now? Or not?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

That was hilarious - he didn't throw me personally under the bus, just democrats and the progressive movement. That he used me as a representative of those groups does not mean that I joined them under the bus. Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

And while I know Clinton's folks have been on Fox, have they ever gone on and distanced themselves from Chablis-drinking liberals like that? That's a genuine question since I avoid almost all television news like the plague. But Kos seems to try to put Obama and Clinton on equal standing vs. Fox and I was wondering if that's true. Certainly, Clinton's folks have been more willing to go on Fox (although I don't necessarily believe MSNBC is better from her perspective), but have they also gone on and embraced right-wing framing to such an extent? I'm not saying they haven't, I'm asking because I don't know.

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Submitted by corinne on

What is Kos smoking? Obama never respected his "base." It's just now that Kos, Stoller, and hopefully others in the Obamablogosphere are realizing that they mean nothing to him.

Submitted by lambert on

From Adam Green at the HuffPo link:

It was a mistake for Obama to go on FOX’s Sunday show and treat the experience as if it was a real news interview.

Mistake?! My fucking gawd. After what used to be the blogosphere spent about 5 years of solid work -- most of it for free by the B, C ... n listers --- destroying FOX's brand as a "real news interview," the Boiz get blinded by the light of the Unity Pony, piss away the media critique, and then hapless Obama, unwarned, stumbles into Lord Rupert's minefield and -- who could have predicted this -- retails right wing talking point after right wing talking point, pissing off the base, in addition to having Wallace twist the knife on Wright, pissing off everybody else. But let's not worry! He's got the "temperament," to be President, at least when he's not bored...

Well done, all. And I'm playing the world's smallest violin for the whole sorry crew.

Repeat after me: Obama's not ready.

NOTE No such thing as a "virtual shoutout," VL. That's just a propagated meme... And I think it will be a cold day in hell before we get a link from those guys. Unless some thug like Bob Johnson wants to make an example of us, of course. So, we can always hope.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by lambert on

What's that up there? A crankcase? Luggage?

(Just riffing on VL's riff, upthread...)

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

of Democrats to offend.

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Submitted by jeqal on

I just want to kvetch and say that the amount of literate peeps on this blog is disheartening.
The word Obamablogosphere almost (almost) makes me believe I might be able to vote for him (almost kinda)....I love words.
The bus, however is vast. We have white grandma, peeps who are religious, peeps who have guns, Annie Oakley, Michigan and Florida, Virginia and KY, Hillary, and the Kennedy's (Wright making fun of them),jews, kids who are bad bowlers,and any Dem who supported Hillary,
and on the bus we have Obama, Wright, Obama's black step grandma in Kenya, Odinga, Ayers, Rezko, that dude with the scandal from the LATimes,
He's trying to toss off the bus but they won't go (white supremests, Farrakhan, hamas, the Koolaid Kool guy hehe, debates, bowlers and critics.)
And trying to get on his bus are Peeps who want Hope and Peeps who want change as long as they aren't part of the first group.

“Democrats have a habit of falling in love with candidates on the first date.”

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Submitted by vastleft on

What's going on here:

1. Brief lovers' spat; regularly scheduled Clinton hate will kick in by sunrise?

2. Distancing themselves in case they need to haul in with Hillary?

3. Preparing to haul in with Hillary?

4. Distancing themselves ahead of Obama's failure in the general election?

5. Distancing themselves ahead of Obama's failure as a president?

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Submitted by wasabi on

Any national politican with half a brain will attempt to distance themselves from the netroots --- IF THEY WANT TO GET ELECTED. Who'd want to be connected with a group that daily throws around rants filled with bitch, cunt, pussy, redneck, "low information", racist, etc.

So many webizens were hating on the Hillary bitch because she supposedly "dissed" the online community last year. The Boo guy was ranting about her campaign trying to destroy the blog family by her failure to kowtow to the netroots.

I tried to explain to him that she was running a general election campaign back then, and it was one strategy to attract voters. Each of the candidates had their own strategy. Obama's was also a GE campaign, where he touted his "bipartisan" appeal to indies/Repubs.

I asked him and his readers not to take things so personally, as the goal is to actually win come November. That didn't sit well with him, because she didn't kiss his ass as she should have.

Personally, I could give a rat's butt about what the candidates actually say on the campaign trail. They all lie to a certain extent. It doesn't really even offend me. I expect it. They are POLITICIANS after all.

What I look for when choosing a candidate is what has someone DONE over their lifetime. Actions, not words. I admire what Clinton accomplished in the state of Arkansas when she was First Lady. I like that she is willing to take unpopular stands if she feels strongly about something. She seems tireless, and has a fighting spirit which I believe we really need to have at this time by a Dem in the White House.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Cap'n Kos: "Ahoy all hands! Storm's a brewing! Quick, re-arrange the deck chairs!"

Not only has he thrown All In with an emerging embarrasement and driven out of his blog everyone who tried to point it out, but what can he expect to get from President Clinton as his reward for such stalwart service? Back of her hand, I'm hoping. Panic, big panic.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/28/...

This leads Kos to say:

Yo people, Obama isn't beyond reproach or criticism. I want him to win the primary and the general, but I ain't gonna keep my mouth shut and carry his water when I disagree with him. If you have a problem with it, you might want to go elsewhere, because this is the reality based community, not the "Obama can do no wrong" community. The dude is human, believe it or not.

What's funny to me is that the same people who have criticized Clinton for legitimizing Fox, or who helped fight to kill the Fox News Democratic debates, are now busy rationalizing Obama's decision to appear on the network.

Wow, if he drives off the "Obama can do no wrong" community, there will be, like, five people left. Because they've already driven off a lot of the "reality-based" Obama supporters, like this poor fellow - http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/27/2156...

And, yeah, I think right about now a lot of the netroots are wondering if they backed the wrong horse and what that might mean for their ambitions under President Hillary Rodham Clinton. Will that make them double down to try to ensure Obama wins (or at least Clinton doesn't)? Or back peddle as fast as they can? Or both?

But even more than worrying about the distant future, I think they're worried that Obama's campaign is on the brink of melting down and embarrassing them.

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Submitted by wasabi on

Does that mean that he's voted off his own island? Are we going to have to put up with him here?

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Submitted by vastleft on

... everyone will pretend that places like Kos never stopped being reality-based.

Odds are, everyone will believe them.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

has been done in by his own followers for not being revolutionary enough.

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Submitted by jeqal on

If the democrats keep treating hillarians like they do republicans will that make us republicans?--jeqal.

I thought about this while reading this post. I'm like you know the viciousness with which I have been treated by other democrats has so made me cautious in real life with my support of Hillary that I rely on the blogs to express my appreciation of her. It also makes me MORE of a hillarian than ever before. Not quite to the oint of drinking koolaid but I do like tea.

It has literally made me HATE Donna Brazile, Tom Daschle, ALL of the Kennedy's, Oprah, all of the media except Fox. And I used to LOATHE Fox.
So now I am thinking, with, all of these peeps against us, and it has become us against the Old Guard. I am more friendly with Rep friends and am able to talk politics with them, whereas me and my Obama friends are hardly on speaking terms at this point. We disagree about what happened in Michigan,(they say it was Hillary) we disagree about the debates (they say Hillary won't debate and that she controls the media--no kidding and it's not funny), on and on and on and on. If I get through june, I'm going to only use the computer when necessary and not turn on NPR will bubble myself until November.

Now I read about the copperheads a little, not enough to remark on anything but their interesting name. And wonder if we could be the hillary rattlers, hillarians are tough but you know we are there before we strike.
hehe

“Democrats have a habit of falling in love with candidates on the first date.”

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Submitted by cenobite on

That was hilarious - he didn’t throw me personally under the bus, just democrats and the progressive movement.

"My job with the Obama administration is still promised."

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

Here's one:

"KOS I'm not sure why you support Obama if you don't understand the primary reason most other people like him. He talks to the other side. So don't piss and moan about it. Obama is a trojan horse of logical thinking. Let him slowly work his magic, even if its places we don't care for."

The "trojan horse of logical thinking?" WTF? I don't even know what that means. Is Obama posing as someone who thinks logically?

And weren't the k0ssucks clutching their pearls on the fainting couch when Hillary talked to Richard Mellon Scaife? Isn't that talking to the other side?

BTW - if they don't piss and moan, what will they do with all their spare time?

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48 + 2 = legitimacy

Submitted by lambert on

Well, maybe if he worked a little harder, the magic wouldn't be so slow. And then he wouldn't be bored, so that's a win-win.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by kangeroo on

it sucks that i'm now avoiding most of my longtime news sources, and even one of my best friends--with whom i got in an all-out yelling argument about this election. today i went out wearing my hillary button and encountered 3 types of reactions on the street: (1) discomfort, (2) dirty, disgusted look, and (3) curious look as if to ask, "are you a martian?" (i live in SF.)

vastleft, re: kos, #2 feels about right to me.