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Cue the lekkage. Hillary's statement:

Hillary Clinton issued the following statement today in Brandon, SD:

“Earlier today I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That’s a historic fact. The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that, whatsoever. My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to, and I’m honored to hold Senator Kennedy’s seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family.”

Apologize, move on.

Although just in time for the Sabbath Day Gasbags to work up a full head of steam. And for another special post from Avarosis, if he can take time off from watering his orchids.

NOTE To his credit, Lord Eschaton, although back from his vacation, does not join the wankfest. Sometimes, less is more.

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We need to appoint an anti-koolaid czar

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Davidson's picture
Submitted by Davidson on

Obama is the Next Kennedy + Clinton is evil + Clinton mentioning a Kennedy assassination = Clinton casting an evil witch's spell on Obama to be killed...like the Kennedys!

Obama releasing that statement that her words have "no place" in this campaign confirmed that the distortion interpretation is True.

myiq2xu's picture
Submitted by myiq2xu on

The bloviating gasbags start hyperventilating and pearl clutching, but never explain what was wrong with what she said.

Was it insensitive? How?

Inappropriate, offensive or in bad taste? Explain.

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Submitted by amberglow on

hysterical--and pathetic.

really sad.

RFK was a carpetbagger NY Senator just like her. The media really seriously thinks she wants him actually dead.

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Submitted by amberglow on

it figures...so sick...Tweety announced he will.

the media sees her as ready and willing to kill him already, and they've idealized him so much, they probably expect something to happen also, so this is like chum to sharks.

Submitted by lambert on

Nobody trusts the press because they're obviously in the tank ("threw their support to Obama," as the Howler quotes). They have to scream louder and louder because nobody is listening. And that's one message of WV and KY -- and even OR, if you consider turnout.

So fuck them. She'll never drop out. There is no Dean scream. Watch.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

why don't we all head over her website and leave her a nice message to that effect, and a few $$ for those who can afford it?

myiq2xu's picture
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I'm a sports fan, we hoot and holler when our team wins a big game.

WTF?

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Submitted by BDBlue on

May still end up being Clinton's biggest friend, here. They don't know when to stop and, in doing so, inevitably drive people to Hillary instead of away from her.

It's Memorial Day Weekend, I have better things to do than watch cable news and I'm betting I'm not alone.

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Submitted by amberglow on

murderers, and all this campaign season pundits have painted her as "Fatal Attraction" and as an evil you-know-what who will do anything, and "joked" about Obama needing food testers if she was the VP, etc...

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

Am I missing something? Is she saying something other than that sometimes it takes until June to determine who the nominee is going to be? Maybe there's a note of "who knows what can happen," but, seriously, people are bent on finding this to be a threat of some kind? You can tell from the video that the people conducting the interview don't jump in with insta-matic outrage.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

When this gets into full-on Lek mode, it will become "Clinton likened Obama to RFK and imagined his assassination," and the discussion will be about whether imagining Obama's death was appropriate or not, and the remark itself will quickly cease to be mentioned.

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That they use any excuse to try to oust Hillary - and BTD thinks that they will overplay their hand and rile more people into voting for her.

All this says to most Hillary supporters is 'Obama sees himself as such a Messiah / Kennedy hybrid that he now carries the mantle of BROODING MARTYR.'

Just what he shouldn't want rural voters to imagine, or PRs who still believe in Jesus, not Obamessiah.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

The NY Post is already saying "raised the spectre" of the assassination of Obama before reporting the quotation -- thereby ensuring that the lek follows in precisely the way we predicted, i.e., OMG make bad lady go 'way! (Sigh.)

FrenchDoc's picture
Submitted by FrenchDoc on

get their talking points / lede / special commentaries ready real fast.

If I were more cynical, I'd say they were all waiting for something like this to happen had templates ready for publication / airing.

Submitted by lambert on

If this quote was already out there for so long.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

Sorry that people are so fucking opportunistic. I seriously find there to be absolutely nothing to this. Nominating contests have historically lasted a long time. B. Clinton had primaries in June, and B. Kennedy had primaries in June. _Maybe_ she could have said, "We remember the terrible moment of Bobby Kennedy's assassination during the primaries of 1968. That, too, was in June. So June primaries are nothing new."

I'm interested to know something else.

_Who_ was it who decided to push this so hard this time around, hoping to trigger some nice feather-flappin' lekkin' action? Because if she's said similar remarks before, and those didn't cue up the fauxtrage, it leads me to suspect that someone made a plan to ensure a proper lekstravaganza.

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Submitted by amberglow on

"The Obama camp today took notice of Hillary Clinton’s comment to a South Dakota newspaper editorial board meeting, where she said she would not drop out of the race and oddly observed, “Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June.”

When the New York Post picked it up and called the comment “an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama,” the Obama camp responded. “Senator Clinton’s statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign,” a spokesman said in a statement, further escalating the story.

Fodder for at least a few more news cycles." --

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/05/...

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

Ya beat me to it as I was fussing with my own similar comment. Something feels mighty coordinated, especially considering the collective yawn the last time around.

FrenchDoc's picture
Submitted by FrenchDoc on

It's because it is coordinated, carefully leaked by the Obama campaign and gleefully spread by the MCM with all the proper amount of "expert punditry" and fauxtrage.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Because, of course, when Obama REALLY misspeaks, we then served a healthy dose of WORM.

When Hillary misspeaks (it was a poorly stated obvious statement), then, that's it, she should go into exile.

Guys, let's not fall for this latest mindfuck to come. This is no different than when she stated something straightforward: that MLK's dream began to be realized by LBJ.

Again, let's not fall for it, let's push back against the latest round of WWTSBQ!

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Submitted by Joebasic on

Yep..Olbie is doing another anti-Hillary, shrill, ranting diatribe tonight..MSNBC has done what I once thought was impossible, it has increased its non-stop Obama-fest.
Some enterprising person might want to create and sell Obama knee-pads to hand out to the media..Olberman used to be so good until he got his.
Joebasic
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amberglow's picture
Submitted by amberglow on

and i betcha he's much much meaner to her than he ever is to Bush and Cheney too.

they're seriously out to get her at MSNBC--for months they have been.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

How is it odd? Once again, bored and lazy reporters put their greasy cheetoh-stained thumbs on the scale, and we have to read their passive-aggressive framing before seeing the actual comments themselves. Poison fruit of the poison tree.

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Submitted by Davidson on

The NY Post freely injecting Obama into her comment is even more blatant than when FOX "News" framed her LBJ comment as disrespect of MLK.

I doubt most people will even see the video clip or by the time they do they'll already have absorbed the totally manufactured, highly inflammatory conclusion: Clinton hinted at possible Obama assassination like RFK.

Here's how the BBC framed it: "Hillary Clinton cites shooting of Robert Kennedy as justification to stay in the US election race - and explains why she said it." That's right, what she said in passing when justifying why the race should continue in June is now the justification.

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Submitted by vastleft on

She's reminding us that a legendarily tumultuous campaign was still going strong in the sixth month of a tragically fateful year.

Davidson's picture
Submitted by Davidson on

Goddamn:

Observers say the remarks could be damaging if people were to interpret them as an indication that Mrs Clinton believes the assassination of her rival would benefit her campaign.

The BBC has been clearly biased in their coverage and even in their content but this is just the last straw for me. "Observers say?" If anything, she was comparing herself to RFK. Come the fuck on!

Outrageous.

vastleft's picture
Submitted by vastleft on

"So, do you mean that you should stay in the race 'cause someone might assassinate Barack Obama, or do you just use Bobby Kennedy's assassination as a convenient placeholder to help you remember that sometimes the California primary is in June? Yeah. Wow."

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Also say the remarks could be damaging if people were to interpret them as an indication that Mrs. Clinton has armed a clandestine satellite with a death ray always trained on Mr. Obama.

Moreover, observers say that they wish reporters would stop projecting their own bad judgment onto them, as their existence is imaginary and for lazy rhetorical effect.

FrenchDoc's picture
Submitted by FrenchDoc on

You all remember that period between 9/11 and the beginning of the war in Iraq where any statement by a Democrat was twisted as to mean that they were supporting terrorists...

Well, we're back to that period. Everything HRC will say will be twisting into meaning that she wants to hurt BO.

This is the Obama campaign strategy, helped by the water carriers: the MCM and the Big Blogs.

And just like before, rationality is out the window, replaced by mass hysteria and mob mentality that Axelrod taps into and activates at will.

Oh, and can we stop talking about unity ticket now?

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Submitted by leah on

Here's why I'm genuinely outraged, and why their outrage is faux, manufactured, in particular, by MSNBC, a so-called news network, but which is a prime practitioner of jounrnamalism, and only journamalism.

I happened to be watching when this broke, right before Hardball. Not only did Matthews lead with it, his lead contained the assumption that Clinton had actually compared Obama to the assassinated Bobby Kennedy, with no reference at all to the context in which she was speaking, and then the tape that was played of her comments was shortened to the single sentence before her mention of Bobby, about Bill Clinton's win in California, which gave him the nomination, but not until June of 1992, and then came her one sentence about Bobby Kennedy. That was it.

Let me make this as clear as I can. MSNBC did everything it could to keep its audience from having any solid sense that the immediate subject being discussed by Hillary with an editorial board was the issue of an extended nominating process lasting into June, with questions about why Hillary thought so much was being made of it, when, as she was pointing out, there was nothing unusual about such an extended process, as recently as 1992. Instead, MSNBC left its audience with an impression that Hillary Clinton was pointing to the assassination of Bobby Kennedy as the reason she needs to stay in, when, in fact, she was only pointing out that there needn't be anything to defend about an extended primary season, which are historically, nothing unusual.

Think about that for a moment. The clear implication of what MSNBC was selling about what Hillary Clinton had said was that she needed to stay in the race in case something bad happened to Obama.

To its credit, CNN played a good portion of this taped interview, including remarks before and after the ones played in the MSNBC version, and in that extended version it was absolutely clear that the subject was why there was so much discussion by her "opponent" and in the media about there being something untoward about a primary still going on in June. It was clear that Hillary, who was speaking conversationally and off the cuff, and as clearly, not offering talking points, was thinking of the fact that Bobby Kennedy had just won the California primary in June, seen at the time as a significant turning point but not the end of the primary process, which immediately brought a recognition from her of the reason we remember it being the tragedy of his death that night. However, as I recall the CNN tape, Hillary didn't get around to mentioning the primary win, but again, what one saw on that tape was her being overwhelmed by the memory of the hard-to-believe climax of that evening. No wonder MSNBC didn't want us to see any more of the tape than absolutely necessary.

Watching Chris Matth3ews, you'd have thought that he'd just caught Hitler admitting he hated Jews and wished to see them all dead, an admission that Matthews was assuring the viewers of MSNBC that he, being the giant of journalism that he is, wouldn't let Hitler, uh Hillary, ever forget she'd said.

And then there was Rachel Maddow. I don't know if you've heard yet, but she's pursuing her own show on MSNBC, and all us liberals are supposed to be thrilled. Well, count me out on that one. Man, what a fucking careerist. A quick study, is our gal, Rachel. She's learned out to fit in with the likes of Matthews, and David Gregory, and Gene Robinson, and the list goes on and on. We're supposed to be thrilled are we, when she takes on Pat Buchanan. Only problem, Buchanan, who I abhor, if for nothing more than his unashamed racism, actually looks good compared to this crowd, including Rachel. Here was her take. Hard to believe that as consummate a...well a something...as Hillary Clinton could make a mistake of such giant proportions, and if that's so, its gigantic proportions probably cast doubts about her presidential chops, and if it wasn't a mistake, then Hillary Clinton has no place in American politics.

I guess Rachel, along with the rest of this clueless crew missed that amazing piece by Luttwak op ed IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, I discussed here, in which he imagines the hanging, stoning, or beheading of lapsed Muslim President Obama, and the almost impossible task of protecting him on any travels to Islamic countries.

Well, what's an op ed published with malice of forethought on the American newspaper of record, compared with a rambling, poorly formed observation made by a Hillary Clinton in the context of a conservation about a completely different topic, a statement immediately clarified and apologized for, within hours of its having been made. No, no, not acceptable that. The outrage must go on, and the outrage will go on. God Bless America, but while you Gods are at it, couldn't you do a little bit to make life a little less pleasant for major assholes like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow - nothing too drastic or dramatic, just let them spend a couple of years struggling the way the average share-cropper in Mississippi, say, people like Fannie Lou Hammer's parents, did in the 1950s, or maybe have to deal with the kind of tragedy and despair that James Cheney's family, particularly his little brother had to, (if you've ever seen the film of James' funeral, you'll understand what I mean), or, if that strikes you as too baroque, what about just giving them a taste of what ordinary Americans of middle income have to face just to get by, just not to drown, when there's a sudden reversal of fortune, like an auto accident that injures two of your children, or the sudden loss of a job at a time when the economy is retracting, and you and yours got their health insurance from your job...

Silly me, none of that matters, none of that is important. And ya know why? Because it isn't happening to people who appear of the TV.

Maybe CD has a point. Maybe we need to organize a national strike around the notion that we're just not going to watch you freaks anymore.

Submitted by lambert on

It's all one machine. Not Chicago-style, but still a new machine. You read the Howler: The press "threw their support to Obama." And this sort of thing is a consequence of them doing that, and feeling that they have the power and the right to do it. And don't you love the picture of all the new voters soaking this crap up as if it were true?

Vote for Obama, vote for his machine. That includes the perpetrators of this particular wankfest.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

That was the night she coined the "Tweety Effect"

The next morning the Stepford Rachel was singing the praises of Matthews and she's been a fixture at MSObama ever since.

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Submitted by lambert on

Any excuse for a wankfest!

And by "tactful," I mean "tactful" in the way it's not really advisable to ask somebody who took the side off the garage parking the car and then rolls into the house screaming drunk whether they might have had one more than strictly necessary.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by vastleft on

At least in this one, small corner the media critique lives on....

leah's picture
Submitted by leah on

Because if we can, we should put it up, maybe in the sidebar and keep it there.

There is no way anyone could watch that extended tape and think that Hillary was saying that she should stay in the race in case someone kills Obama. Which isn't even true. If something happened to Obama, she wouldn't have to be in the race, she would be voted the nominee at the convention. So it doesn't even make lick of sense.

Submitted by lambert on

... is my command, especially since you're writing!

It's in the sidebar. However, I'm a Hillary partisan, as you know, so if I don't take it down by the time you feel is appropriate, let me know.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Then I realized that the people who think Hillary's IS A MONSTER think she was looking forward to something unspeakable.

Well, F*CK those people.

I love you guys -- but what's going on at Talk Left. I think I'm afraid to go back.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

Where we all post about the most egregious stuff they've done throughout the primary, with videos and links and all that !@#$.

Submitted by lambert on

Here? Or elsewhere (with it's own URL).

I could set it up here, I have the capacity.

Like www.correntewire.com/day_of_shame

But only one day...

How about Hall of shame? Then we can have days to add things to the hall. First day could be Monday, Memorial Day, to commemorate the death of our free press.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

where we would all go and "dump" our posts on the subjects with links to each other and invite everyone we know to do the same. If we want it for more than one day (Hall of Shame is better then).

Submitted by lambert on

The blogwhore part of me wants to hits.

And I hate to give Google my data.

OTOH, we get our own URL with blogspot. So maybe that is better.

Maybe start out day of shame and then turn it into a hall?

But the problem with "Day of Shame" is that nobody knows that the shame is ABOUT. Press Day of Shame? Village Day of Shame ???????

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

FrenchDoc's picture
Submitted by FrenchDoc on

Or we can coordinate with other bloggers (Riverdaughter, Anglachel, etc.) and try to get some momentum. There's no point if no one notices. And we let Peter Daou know about it as well.

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Submitted by jackbrown on

in this race? Or to have your surrogate say that "something could happen (To Obama) between now and the convention"?

Forgive me for jumping to any untoward conclusions- it's just that the Clinton Camp should know to stay away from that subject. It's almost as explosive as Bill Frist using the words "to kill, to defeat, to assassinate these nominees"
on the floor of the senate- using judges and assassinate in the same sentence.

Just shouldn't have said it.

Submitted by lambert on

Obama partisans in the press call for Hillary's death, sometimes in so many words, all the time. Where you were you then? And you guys want to have a wankfest over something Hillary did not say? Why don't you take your concerns and find a bridge over at The Obama 527 Formerly Known as Kos? Then peddle your sorry ass there.....

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Sarah on

radar with that Frist reference.

It's all about listening to the whole, not making up your own context for the parts you think are juicy.

We can admit that we're killers ... but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes! Knowing that we're not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

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myiq2xu: That was the night she coined the “Tweety Effect”

Credit where due -- I'm virtually positive that was Pam Spaulding of Pam's House Blend and Pandagon. Maddow repeated it.

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Submitted by orionATL on

and it is a political tactic.

russert KNOWS he is willfully misinterpreting clinton's comments.

does anyone recall a year or so ago when senator kerry told a joke about bush and american soldiers, a joke whose point and punchline was aimed at bush?

remember.

but that one time he got his tongue twisted.

the republicans, with gleeful help from the media, turned this error of speech into an assault by kerry on the intelligence of american solders.

now here's what's key.

these was no chance in hell that senator kerry, a soldier himself, who had spoken out strongly for his fellow soldiers when he returned from vietnam,

would ever have intentionally told a joke that demeaned american soldiers.

there is absolutely NO credible reason to believe from his long public record that he would have intended to do so.

but the republicans and the media willfully chose to misinterpret him. he was hounded so unmercifully that he issued an apology, an unnecessary apology, simply in order to insure that the uproar would die down and not harm those he was supporting.

that same thing happened to congresswoman ferrarro earlier this year. her comment about the favorable treatment given a black democratic candidate, a statement which these last few months has proven to be precisely on the mark,

was willfully misconstrued to be a racist remark by the obama campaign and their media allies.

and now to senator clinton's remark.

there is no way anyone who has observed senator clinton could honestly believe that she would advocate, encourage, or exhibit hope for any assassination, including one of her opponent.

there is nothing in her 30-year public record or in the public personality she has presented to the nation for those years,

that could lead any honest person to so conclude.

that leaves only willful misunderstanding,

a deeply dishonest political tactic.

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Submitted by orionATL on

this is one mediamob hanging senator kennedy can put as stop to.

he has worked with senator clinton; he knows the kind of person she is.

Submitted by cg.eye on

If he condemns Obama's camp for this, it will be seen as part of his mental incapacity due to glioma, even though his thoughts and memories might not be yet harmed. If they twist Clinton's words, they'll have no problem twisting his, in the prose of a concern troll.

If he condemns Clinton, it's as if he's making a deathbed confession, and it strengthens the tragic familial associations with death -- and it still gives life to this meme.

No way does he win, and no way Clinton will.

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Submitted by OxyCon on

One of the best leaders of the Democratic party got assassinated today and the leader of the Democratic party remains silent about this deliberate murdering of Hillary Clinton's character and integrity.
Just like when Obama was assassinating President Clinton's character and integrity by labeling him a racist, Howard Dean remains silent.
Sure tells you alot about Howard Dean.

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Submitted by jackbrown on

With the unfair hits she's taken throughout the campaign... and the reaction to these comments represents a media gotcha, no doubt. But I will peddle this sorry ass comment without apology:

She still shouldn't be talking about assassination in this contest.

Submitted by lambert on

just stop lying about it, would you?

At long last, have you no decency?

You are the ones who are up the tree on this.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Xenophon on

Hillary Clinton said something really stupid. How can you not be aware that linking your election chances and the assasinatioin of RFK . . . If she didn't think people would see parallels, she doesn't deserve to serve.

I don't think she is that stupid. She thought about it and it came out.

Her only defense is that she is culturally tone deaf.

Submitted by lambert on

She said more or less the same thing in Time months ago, and nobody said boo. It's another totally manufactured outrage. I'm sick of it, and this is enough. The press decided to "throw their support" to Hillary, this is a sample of it, and fuck them, fuck the whores they rode in on, fuck the Obama campaign, and fuck Obama in his own saintly person for abetting it.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Xenophon on

If you are trying to win.

If you are a professional.

Dumb move.

She walked into a bear trap.

Especially if she got away with it once.

It's like the Bill's "Fairy Tale" . . . a tin ear.

As they say don't hate the player . . . hate the game. It's twisted.

Submitted by cg.eye on

and fearing for Obama, when you saw their campaigns playing with racism and sexism memes, until this mess was seen as a game by their handlers?

When a player hates me, or my votes, or my principles, I'm going to hate him or her, screw the goddamn game.

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Submitted by hypnot on

"Less than tactful" is an understatement. I'm sure the operatives and gasbags are overdramatizing their concern about Clinton's statement, but the histrionics in these comments seem equally detached from what she said and what she meant.

It is quite clear that she is saying that one of the reasons that she is staying in the primaries is that something might happen to her opponent. The example she gives is a national tragedy that was not an accident. I don't want to pick a fight with anybody, but I ask the commenters: Did her remark not make you cringe? Even she is taken aback at what came out of her mouth. Look at her pause to recover at about 0:58 in the video.

You're right, Lambert: Apologize (because she should apologize), move on.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

It is quite clear that she is saying that one of the reasons that she is staying in the primaries is that something might happen to her opponent.

So why bring up Bill Clinton, then? What do the two examples have in common other than the timing, June? (OK, yes, California, but that's immaterial, I think we can safely say.)

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Submitted by hypnot on

Vastleft's perspective:

There is absolutely nothing offensive about what she said. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.

Of course, why believe me or RFK’s son?

I didn't say it above, but I'll say it here: I found what she said offensive. In my comment I asked if her remark did not cause other commenters to cringe, and I have your answer. I believe that you did not find it offensive. I am sorry to hear that.

As for RFK's son, he may have reacted differently as well. I am surprised to hear that he didn't find if offensive, but I don't disbelieve him if that's what he says.

I bid you all goodnight. Lovepeaceandhappiness upon us all, and may the pain and injustices of today evaporate before the sun rises tomorrow.