On FISA cloture, Clinton NAY, Obama YEA. NAY is correct.
On the FISA bill, Clinton NAY, Obama YEA. NAY is correct.
Just sayin. Thanks, guys. Well done, all. Mile High Stadium, here we come!
UPDATE When my Unity
Pony comes, I'm gonna name it FISA!
And Uncle Harry n Uncle Barry n Aunt Nance are gonna to come by tomorrow and show me the secret places where my pony's wires really tap LOL!!!!!!
I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UDPATE Here's the rec'd diary at Cheetopia. Hilarity ensues. Hey, remember when Obama was going to be "transformative"? Now the OFB are all nodding sagely and saying, "Yep, just politics. The votes just weren't there." Of course, leaders lead, as Atrios used to be fond of saying.
UPDATE Oops, I almost forget to say shut the Fuck up and send Obama more money. Sorry.
UPDATE Good guy Peter Daou sends Hillary's statement. Quoted in relevant part:
While this legislation does strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts, in many respects, the oversight in the bill continues to come up short. For instance, while the bill nominally calls for increased oversight by the FISA Court, its ability to serve as a meaningful check on the President's power is debatable. The clearest example of this is the limited power given to the FISA Court to review the government's targeting and minimization procedures.
But the legislation has other significant shortcomings. The legislation also makes no meaningful change to the immunity provisions. There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful.
What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens – and in particular to New Yorkers – all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity.
Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used – and used within the law – for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.
That's just silly. Checks and balances aren't what "set us apart." What sets us apart is having a Leader!
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Iiiiii voted for Clinton
Just sayin'.
For all the trash talking about Hillary the triangulator, she strongly stood her ground in the face of unrelenting criticism. She was also strong in her advocacy of a liberal, responsible government philosophy. Obama, on the other hand, uses conservative frames (ya know, faith based programs rather than efficient government ones) that undermine liberal philosophy. You shouldn't be surprised about his abandoning of universal healthcare and dogwhistling SS.
Just sayin'.
Nay??
What a divisive bitch!!
I'm gonna go contribute to her campaign to retire her debt. She's earned it.
Go Global!
Speaking of Campaign Contributions
An interesting analysis of contributors by gender is here. (via NYCweboy)
While Clinton got more money out of the average donor, Obama's big advantage was that he had more male donors and men, on average, gave a higher $ amount donation than women did to both candidates (not surprising since men earn more than women do on average):
So women basically split evenly and men swamp to Obama. Hmmm, I wonder why that could be? Probably just their enthusiasm for finally seeing a man in the White House.
There's also a breakdown along industries, here. Emily's List was Clinton's biggest bundler. Goldman Sachs was Obama's. Heh. Other than that not a whole lot of difference, although Exelon was #15 for Obama. What a surprise.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Women donors
I'm a bit taken aback that they were evenly divided. They should have backed her much more so, not because of gender, but because she was the best candidate bar none (Let's be honest: Obama simply never belonged in the same league as her). I fear way too many women are terrified of being shamed on misogynistic grounds (You support her only because she's a woman!) to the point they have internalized it (Truly "free" women support Obama), while men who act primarily, if not solely, by gender applaud themselves (Bros before h**!).
Well, this bro is proud my money went to Lucifer Herself and her "nay" votes (HRC: 2/2 "correct;" Obama: FAIL!). I actually tuned into C-SPAN to make sure it was true. I turned it off soon afterwards, though; I couldn't bear to see Congress thrash the Constitution. Brutal.
No human could hear how EEvil she was without internalizing it
Male OR female. Propaganda works on both sexes.
Also, as Phyllis Schlafly, Kathleen Parker, and Maureen Dowd remind us, many women have internalized the societal sexism that they learned from infancy, and so are sexist themselves. How DO we break this cycle?! So discouraging.
Another Potential Gift to Bush from Aunt Nance
Via Avedon, there's a report that Nancy Pelosi is fighting the Judiciary Committee's attempts to hold Karl Rove in contempt. I see no reason to give Nance the benefit of the doubt on this one and it's completely consistent with the rest of their strategy to capitulate their way to victory.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
it's a good day to be a hillary supporter.
she stood up for us.
Do the DC Dems have any clue at all at how bad they are?
Do they know that all of this will turn off voters in November? Do they know they have a 9% approval rating?
Seriously.
It seems as long as corp and big money rolls in to them, they don't care.
ACLU: "not only unconstitutional, but absolutely un-American.”
-- “Once again, Congress blinked and succumbed to the president’s fear-mongering. With today’s vote, the government has been given a green light to expand its power to spy on Americans and run roughshod over the Constitution,” said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. “This legislation will give the government unfettered and unchecked access to innocent Americans’ international communications without a warrant. This is not only unconstitutional, but absolutely un-American.” -- http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/359...
In Some Faces...
you know who you are.
Nice site for tracking your senators' votes, plus percentages.
http://www.govtrack.us/users/events.xpd?...
Repubs, 100%, plus Dems 44% gave this gift to BushBoy the Unworthy.
56% of Dems voted against the bill. But, WTF
were the 44% thinking?????? Including Whitehouse, good grief! I thought he had a much clearer grasp of the Constitution than that. What's with him?
We need more and much better Dems, obviously.
We could use a better Dem nominee for president.
Politico wrote that Obama was grinning on the floor of the Senate as Rockefeller described the "merits" of the FISA bill.
May they receive their just desserts, if there is an afterlife. However, since that's really iffy, may they change their freakin' minds and pass legislation which negates the abomination they passed today. And that will not be pushed for by Obama.
I think Obama wants that ol' Unitary Executive power, as much as possible unto himself....
I'm still feeling sick to my stomach over what my party and its presumptive leader have done to me, my rights, my nation, my Constitution.
And NJ and NY senators all voted the right ways.
Huge thank you to Hillary, Schumer, Menendez, and Lautenberg.
Loud raspberry to Feinstein, Whitehouse, Mikulski, etc. Have they been blackmailed???
war
women are more likely to be anti-war
Clinton lost this because of the war
Clinton lost this because of the war
And I have yet to see anyone dig into what Bill Clinton said about Hagel and Rice re:Fairy Tale.
It would be interesting if someone did...
liberal media!!!!
/snark
I Don't Buy The War As The Reason
Kerry was nominated despite his war support.
While I think there are Obama backers who genuinely chose him over Clinton because of the war, I think for a lot of folks it's simply a convenient excuse. That's especially true given that their voting records on funding the war and their plans for ending the war are the same. And I never saw the same kind of scorn heaped upon Edwards (who may have apologized, but also had a worse record on the AUMF having voted against some restricting amendments), Dodd or other candidates for their war votes as it was on Clinton (who never have technically apologized, but came very close by repeatedly stating that she wouldn't do it if she had to do it over). It was as if she single-handedly became responsible for this war. And I've never seen any meaningful discussion of the role Daschle, one of Obama's most important backers, played in the Dems decision to back the AUMF or any resistance to Daschle being in an Obama administration.
The low point for me on the entire Clinton and the war thing was when Chris Dodd went on one of the Sunday shows and not only denigrated Clinton's experience but then said Obama was more qualified because he was against the war. Somehow I don't remember Dodd claiming Obama was more qualified than Dodd to be President even though Dodd voted the same way as Clinton did.
Nope, everybody will now be forgiven on this, you wait and see. The only person who will be punished for their war vote will be Hillary. Which to me means it was never about that vote.
As for the even split in women donors, I think it's because Obama had many more donors total. Hillary was very late in putting together a decent outreach to get small donors. If she had started sooner, she would probably have had more women. As it was, she really only got going after the media announced she had lost. It's amazing she got the donations she did under those circumstances.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Definition of surreal:
What BDBlue said:
Greenwald:
"Today, the Democratic-led Senate ignored those protests, acted to protect the single most flagrant act of Bush lawbreaking of the last seven years, eviscerated the core Fourth Amendment prohibition of surveillance without warrants, gave an extraordinary and extraordinarily corrupt gift to an extremely powerful corporate lobby, and cemented the proposition that the rule of law does not apply to the Washington Establishment."
Congress votes to immunize lawbreaking telecoms, legalize warrantless eavesdropping
Witness the slow creep of fascism.
Ponies
Lambert, I've got your pony over at historiann.com.
can someone PLEASE clarify this??
according to the Senate roll call vote -
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro...
- Clinton voted FOR cloture.
could someone please kindly provide the link (other than the firedoglake one, since they don't cite their source) that could explain this discrepancy?
(actually, Glenn Greenwald also stated that she voted against cloture, but - in a way that is very atypical for him - he didn't provide the link to the source, either. strange.)
Actually, Glenn says...
... she switched her vote. It ended up the right way, I'm told.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
sorry, nevermind. wrong cloture vote.
Clinton voted against cloture (thank god).
the correct link is:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro...
Well done!
Thanks! Wow, an error, a correction, and linky goodness. Mini-PB 2.0....
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Don't know where I found this link, but Dems on appropriate
committees never called the AT&T whistleblower, Mark Klein, to testify. I find that mystifying and interesting.
Gee, what did we work to get a Dem majority for again?? Oh, I remember: The power of investigations.
Ha.
From Democracy Now:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/90687
The UnDemocratic Party
Care to speculate who they'll investigate now that they torched the constitution?
Gosh, and I used to think burning a draft card was a statement and a half.
Oh, Hell YEAH -- Ted Kennedy returns to the Senate but unfortunately went AWOL for this vote, lest he make Obama look unpatriotic. At least that's my opinion.
Feingold on Obama
On Rachel Maddow - when Obama gets into the White House we will have the potential to fix this. He actually used the phrase "hope for change."
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
same Feingold who dissed Edwards in favor of Obama?.....
Feingold has always been one of my favorite Senators, but.... i was absolutely at a loss why he had to actually *diss* Edwards back in February (or was it January?...) he almost lost me right then.
Shut the fuck up and send Obama more money!
He needs it!
Don't bother with those pesky down-ticket races!
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Amazing
It's not far fetched to contend that the American Revolution began with James Otis' argument against the writs of assistance.
That makes supporting this FISA remake deeply un-American as the ACLU states.
In August the Democratic Party will nominate someone who crapped on one of our original reasons for being.
UNFIT.
Clinton's judgment on limiting executive power = SCARY
Hillary Clinton on FISA:
Hmmm... after reading the above, I think I'm beginning to understand why Obama wanted this.
And why he worked so hard to discredit Clinton's "judgment."
The witch must burn.
thanks for that quote
made my day to read it, and i would have missed it if you hadn't posted it.