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Hilliary Clinton compares Russia move to Nazi aggression

I used to admire her. This is so disappointing.

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Submitted by par4 on

I wonder what the Lib/Progs will call themselves next? I think these current designations will soon be less popular than chlamydia, gonorrhea or even human brain eating parasite.

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Submitted by jo6pac on

Well I never have liked her and after her time at state it proved to me she more evil than big dog and that something.

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Submitted by octal on

Killery, as ambitious as she is, is severely lacking in charisma. She never would have made it as as far as she has without fellow sociopath Bill's coattails to ride on.

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Submitted by jo6pac on

totally agree big dog is one the great oracles of all time. Then again the elite have made her the chosen one but at the same time will picking the one in the bat-shit-craze party at the same time. The only problem is voting for the lesser of 2 evils or vote your heart. Change has to start somewhere contrary to popular belief in obot world it hasn't started. Then again it never will if we stand down.

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Submitted by octal on

If the Republicans nominate a middle of the road candidate who is not so charisma-starved as Killery, she'll never get past the Dem nomination.

Big if, cause they may be just fine with another Dem prez doing their work for them. Then again, maybe egos will get in the way and they'll nominate a presentable candidate this time.

I'll be voting third party, but if you kidnapped my first born and forced me to vote D or R, I sure wouldn't vote for Killery to watch the Dems circle the wagon around another blatant right-winger for 4 years.

Submitted by lambert on

Obama had charisma in 2008; "not a dry seat in the house." Now he doesn't. If you mean that Clinton can't connect with a crowd, you're dead wrong. See this post in the NOTE, about Haverford, PA. If we aren't accurate about the qualities of politicos we dislike or even hate, how do we recognize the qualities if and when a politico we can support comes along?

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Submitted by octal on

By charisma, I mean likability, which according to polls, Obama still has, although admittedly, not so much with those who are reviled by his deceptions and policies. Add to that the perhaps more important ability to connect with people, something Bill Clinton has in spades, and you have what I'm referring to as charisma.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last sentence. I dislike Hillary as a politician because of her duplicity and her politics, not her lack of charisma. For the record, I also happen to dislike her as a human being, but that is because I think she is sociopath who cares only for her own ambition. For the record, I feel the same way about Bill yet still recognize his charisma.

Submitted by lambert on

See the link.

As for sociopaths, our system filters them upward, like a cracking tower. She's not worse than many, and better than some (granted, not a lot better, in the nature of the case.

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Submitted by octal on

I saw the link the first time. It didn't change my opinion then :)

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on Hillary's charisma quotient.

As to your last sentence, IMO, Hillary hits the point on the evil threshold where I see no reason to put any effort into trying to deduce her potential lesser-evilism amongst her fellow sociopaths. You might see it differently, and if so, no harm, no foul.

Submitted by lambert on

As you say, disappointing. Not all that different from any other candidate. Which says it all. Very sad. She should have resigned quietly in 2010 or so and devoted herself to good works; she'd be in just as good a position, and not stained with the administration's corruption. Still, at some point you figure... People do what they want.

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Submitted by V. Arnold on

I haven't voted since I got booted from the voting registration in Astoria, Oregon and couldn't re-register in 2000.
Since 9/11 I decided if I did vote (Ha!) I'd never vote D or R ever, no matter what.
Hillary no longer has my respect, but rather my contempt as does every politician with the exceptions of Widen, Frank, Grayson, Kusinich, and, and, hm, I know there is another one.
Oh well, you get my point; galoots all.

I'm not so sure voting actually counts anymore anyway; it is a rigged game, so what's the point?

The final candidates are not the peoples choice (but you are told they won all the qualifiers); but the acceptable candidates for the elite (fuck, I hate that term; they're pond scum).

Anyhoo, sorry if this seems disjointed; it's a stream of consciousness after I started writing this. One thing to another, etc.,...

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Submitted by V. Arnold on

Further ruminations; why would anybody care to hear Hillary's bullshit justifications for her statement? This is just more obfuscation and ass covering!
She's shit! Get over it!

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Submitted by goldberry on

Um. Lambert, did you actually read what Clinton was saying? She said that Putin is extending citizenship to people in the Crimea and that this could be used as an excuse to invade later to protect them just like Hitler did to ethnic Germans in Czekoslovakia (sp). It seems like a reasonable analogy and not an application of the Godwin rule. Of course, if some other ruthless dictator has used this strategy more recently, she might have used that example instead to avoid the gratuitous Clinton bashing that followed.
Look, I have my own doubts about Clinton for 2016, specifically that she might have to cooperate with banksters to get the nomination and I won't vote for her if that's the case. But this reflexive negative reaction to anything Clinton says looks Pavlovian and unhealthy and I'm agin' it. That's the kind of thing that got us into voting for Obama in the first place. The blogosphere was chock full of negative associations and ringing bells.
Do we really want to go down that path again? What if the banksters run some new creature of their own making? Shouldn't we prepare ourselves to see the manipulation when it happens and not indulge in it because it feels good?

Submitted by lambert on

.. and I did read what she said (which of course the usual suspects jumped all over). But I'm an "End the wars" guy. One has to ask what the historical comparison was in aid of; and whatever it was, not that.

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Submitted by Alexa on

and she has already "walked back" her Russia statement.

Even WH Press Secretary Jay Carney mentioned this during today's Press Briefing (heard him on XM POTUS Channel).

She may have some vulnerability on this topic because she was tasked with the "reset" of relations with Russia (according to reporters, today).

BTW, it would seem that "charisma," or likeability, are mostly subjective measures. IOW, basically "in the eye of the beholder."

;-)

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Submitted by Alexa on

I must say that beginning in the midterms, I believe that we'll see a sizeable defection of liberal Dems to Third Parties, or "sitting out" the election(s). I've only "sat out" one election, but it's fast shaping up to be "two," LOL!

After all these years of miserable (DLC/Third Way/No Labels) corporatist neoliberal conservative policies, it is hard for me to imagine that the Democratic Party will fare well in the upcoming midterms, or in 2016--if they continue on their present policy course.

While I don't believe that the results will be as disastrous as Chris Matthews pondered, I definitely don't think that it will be "a picnic" for Dems, either.

If someone doesn't swoop in to save the day (on the left), I totally expect 'the youth' to vote libertarian in sizeable numbers. Apparently, Rand Paul has very decent numbers among this cohort.

If only Democratic Party politicians would "learn the correct lesson," if they take a shellacking.

Reporters on The Press Pool were having a chuckle over the Dems' NOW trying to run on being the Party that defends "entitlements"--especially, Social Security.

Guess that clarifies why the Administration "dropped the Chained CPI" measure from the 2015 Budget.

(That, and I 'suspect' that they made a bargain with Dave Camp to include it in the new "Tax Overhaul.")