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Here's a thread where people can post on the historically historic shit sausage making that's going on today. Apparently, you can watch it all on the teebee!

Anybody got any drinking games they want to suggest? No fair on "historic" -- that's too easy!

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Submitted by jawbone on

Ortiz reported YES. Kaptur spoke on

We do not yet know what the shit sandwich contains, nor how sick making it will be. We don't yet know, afaik, what Obama will do about the Hyde Amendment as an executive order. There's concern that his wording might affect funding to Planned Parenthood, but who knows?

HuffPo link.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Connecticut Rep. John Larson said, "We have the votes now – as we speak." However, no one else in the Democratic House leadership was ready to declare victory.

(Thnx for setting this up -- I was thinking we needed something like this to keep track of actual news. I apoligize for throwing the speculation about Planned Parenthood in the mix, but I really would like to know what Obama says about that.

Firm Obama skeptics I know have been saying that putting Hyde language into perpetuity in the health insurance reform act is no biggie; that Congress renews it every year, so why are some of us so upset about it, etc. These friends are male, but that may or may not have an impact on their reactions. Ya know, not able to get pregnant and all that...removed from the consequences kind of thinking.

However, if funding to Planned Parenthood is affected, OMG. That affects so many women for so many areas of their health care.)

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Submitted by mass on

have a Democratic President reaffirm the Hyde amendment by executive order. Also, pro-choice groups have always angled at repealing Hyde, so it's a set back.

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12.19.09 - (PRESS RELEASE) Today, Senate leadership released the language of the manager's amendment of the healthcare reform bill, including new measures that would require women to pay separately for abortion coverage, one-sided provisions that would protect those who refuse to provide abortions from discrimination but leave vulnerable to discrimination those who choose to provide them, and an invitation to the states to impose further deep restrictions on coverage.

IOW, if you want to ban abortion, you don't need to make it illegal, you just need to make it expensive and penalize those who provide access to it.

I wonder how men would react if they were told that in order to pass "historically historic" legislation that they think is crap anyway, they had to accept the fact that condoms would suddenly cost $100/box, and that they no longer would have health care coverage for any medical procedures performed on their naughty bits, or naughty-bit wellness exams? And that the prices would "eventually" go down (maybe) in four years?

Do you think that men hesitate for a second before opposing such a bill?

Submitted by jawbone on

in speech to Planned Parenthood -- in July 2007. Below, comment from the FDL post on possible EO, maybe leaked, maybe right playing games....

Sixth Estate March 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am 10

PolitiFact has an article that quotes what Obama told Planned Parenthood back when he was a running for the Democratic nomination.

In a July 17, 2007, appearance before the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, Obama said the following: “In my mind, reproductive care is essential care. It is basic care, so it is at the center and at the heart of the plan that I propose. Essentially what we’re doing is, we’re going to set up a public plan that all persons and all women can access if they don’t have health insurance. It will be a plan that will provide all essential services, including reproductive services, as well as mental health services and disease management services, because part of our interest is to make sure that we’re putting more money into preventive care.”…

[In] a story that ran in the Chicago Tribune on July 18, 2007, the day after Obama’s Planned Parenthood speech… Washington bureau reporter Mike Dorning wrote that when Obama was asked about his proposal for expanded access to health insurance, the candidate “said it would cover ‘reproductive health services.’ Contacted afterward, an Obama spokesman said that included abortions.”

Here’s video of Obama’s speech to Planned Parenthood. I haven’t watched it yet, but I did see some excerpts that overlapped what PolitiFact reports. (FWIW, the video containing the excerpts just got taken down in the past few days.)

Down the Memory Hole... for awhile? Seems to back up.

Submitted by jawbone on

to throw womenfolk under the bus but good. Especially poor women.

This is what a feminisit looks like -- wasn't that on the cover of Ms.?? Why, yes it was -- and made up special posters for renewals. And justified their selection.

…President’s executive order makes it clear that abortions couldn’t be performed at community health centers (that’s never happened in the history of CHCs). Conscience clause will not be co-opted by legislation.

Women are supposed to be subservient to the needs of the menfolk, right? So no problem selling them out for the greater good of the Obama presidency.

Grrrrrr. GRRRRRR. Yowl!

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Republicans, and Health Care Vote (should be Health Insurance Vote, Huffers!); interesting in a gossipy way. Scroll down page.

JCohenTNR: Frmr tnr colleague @marincogan tells me protesters confronted her, bullhorn in her face, shouted "media bias media bias"

DDayen: RT @annaedney: Protesters calling Frank a faggot again today. His partner is with him, recording this time.

LisaDCNN: Protester shouted in House just now. #Teaparty all over Capitol halls. Spotted sign saying they should 'boo' any racial slurs

JCohnTNR: Protester shouts 'kill the bill' in house gallery; removed by security. Republicans cheer

Submitted by jawbone on

can achieve goal without Stupak's votes--and Stupak says they're still negotiating.

Oh dear, the lady parts are going to SOL if they Stup's group.

And this is riduculous! I'm outta the house and into the 71 degree warmth and sunshine. Not gonna be here tomorrow!

Submitted by jawbone on

Or the whole mishmash? Somehow, seems it will take forever to get those exchanges going. Rube Goldberg contraption as it is.

Pretty stunning, aina? A Democratic president negating one of the principle planks of the Democratic platform.

Nixon goes to China, and as someone commented somewhere, Obama goes to hell.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Democratic base constituencies. So many under the bus....

There will be spin.

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But since I figure *someone* on here other than me must be a fan of george r.r. martin, and the first thing I saw when I woke up this morning was a rejoicing over the health care bill passage. In a fury, I had to post, hopefully I was polite enough. Thought I'd send anyone who likes his books, can be polite, and who can do better than I did explaining what was wrong w/the bill over there (so far, the only people other than me expressing doubts are one of the "obama is a socialist" republicans and a former republican who merely stated that he doesn't like the bill and the current republicans are indeed loopier than a triple loop rollercoaster, which is inarguably true).

(please do not go there if you can't be more polite than me, as I don't wanna get banned from his journal and may already have been more inflammatory than ideal!)(figure I lost mega-points by saying the people cheering this bill are as deluded as the nutjobs calling Obama a socialist, since nearly everyone there is, in fact, cheering this bill, tho on the positive side I refrained from making the analogy "this is the worst shift in framing on reproductive rights since Obama wrote "The Audacity of Bullshit", so points for me on my incredible good sense and restraint there)(also, I've been too busy to keep up w/the latest changes so I'm not 100% sure there still an expansion of medicaid or what exactly the current version is doing with regards to cost controls; not much the last time I paid attention, tho)

Anyway, here:

It's not a political blog, but it is a chance to reach people who may not have heard any leftist opposition to the bill and who essentially buy the televised party lines.

(my comment may still be screened by the time anyone gets there--that's normal, not some special thing for argumentative types, he gets crazies and has an assistant screen everything--so I'm putting it up in my blog also)

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or was. I had to put him in the "flist I don't want to read" group. I was tempted to shred all my game of throne books for a minute, what with that and all the grmm fans who voted for Jaime Lannister over hermione on suvudu, (the nerve). Well, jaime is cool, Barack is cool, that's all that matters.

He's just deluded, imo. Lots of people on lj seem to be. They were obots and now all they do is Clap Harder.

Oh, and sorry, I don't feel up to posting on his lj. I did comment on charlie stross's one, but stross is more reasonable about it and a Brit so he is not as invested in BO.

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Since you're missing out, I must inform you that Jaime has now beaten Cthulhu, in the second round. One handed dude missing his sword hand with no special powers vs. madskillz sorceress or giant-sized alien considered by many an elder god? Easy call!

I probably could draw an analogy to the HCR debate, but I won't.

& didn't mean anyone had to, needed to, or should post there. I just wasn't sure I'd done the best job of articulating the relevant points and since there was no other representative of left wing dissent handy, if what I posted sucked, was hoping someone else would post something that didn't. *g*