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"I won't vote for the other Dem"

vastleft's picture

Whichever Democrat you prefer, just cut the shit.

This is one place where I don't mind saying "a pox on both your houses."

Adherents of both remaining Democratic candidates are playing this card, and however wounded you feel by what the other campaign is doing (or is perceived as doing), there is a lot more than a dime's worth of difference between our Democratic options and John "Bush's Third Term" McCain.

Make the case for your candidate and/or against the one you like less. But if you want the next four-to-eight years to be even a little better than what we've just had, stop all this "I'm too good to vote for the second-best Democratic option."

Pretty please, with "for fuck's sake" on top.

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Anna Granfors's picture
Submitted by Anna Granfors on

When going through my Morning* Blogroll, I'm tired of skipping ones I used to read because I already know basically what they're gonna say. And (of course) more importantly, every time you say "I won't vote for the other", you make Rush Limbaugh smile.

*and Late Morning, and Early Afternoon, and Mid Afternoon, ad obsessium

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Submitted by TonyRz on

It's an OFB train of thought that there must be something wrong with you - you're too clingy, too racist, too cynical, too bruised by politics - if you fail to see the blessed light of the Unity Pony. It's more than a little annoying.

Now, if you (blogger X) want to make the point that abstaining in the GE (or, g-d forbid, voting for McCain) is a virtual suicide pact, then go ahead and make it. It's easily enough done.

But please, already. Stop with the stuff like "You think you're too good...". Please.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

I live in a state that Obama can't win, so it really doesn't matter. But I believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster, so I won't vote for him. I fully understand the consequences of a McCain presidency, and I am prepared to suffer them. The only compelling reason for me to try to and ensure that Obama would become president, is the war, and he has not demonstrated the judgement necessary for me to believe he is truly committed to ending it.

I owe no one my vote.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

I believe that Obama will be a failure as President. But he'll still be better than four more years of Bush via McSame.

When I joined the Democratic party I signed in blood. Even death will not release me.

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Submitted by amberglow on

anyway--i just wish that i hadn't been insulted and thrown off the bus by Obama (in multiple ways)--i'm used to holding my nose and voting, but this is pushing it.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

And after his disastrous presidency, Dems will be locked out for another generation, which means we will incur more damage than we would have by just letting McCain win it in '08. 4 years of McSame now, or 12 years of some Bush copycats later. That's not a hard question for me at all.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by whaleshaman on

there was an "other Dem." [Google: "real Dems don't support tort reform."]

Huh.

Well, I'll be a naked dancing llama called Ichabod Crane.

Either that, or you've snapped. Seriously, do you need to have someone talk you down?

I think my objection here is not your message, it's the pissy lecture it's wrapped in.

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Submitted by tedraicer on

>I believe that Obama will be a failure as President. But he’ll still be better than four more years of Bush via McSame.

Perhaps, perhaps not. If he is a failure he just might usher in 20 more years of Wingnuts, while a failed McCain presidency could usher in 20 years of real progressives. So in the long term Obama could be the worse option. The problem is there is no way to know.

Personally, I'm in the clear either way; I live in NY, and if Obama can't win here however I vote, he isn't going near the White House anyway.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

we need to make it easier for those injured by corporations or incompetent doctors to get their day in court and receive just compensation.

If they do that, I might open a PI practice.

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Submitted by lambert on

Mow that's the kind of tort reform I can live with...

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by whaleshaman on

Huh?

Are you joking?

If not, "tort reform" does NOT "...make it easier for those injured by corporations or incompetent doctors to get their day in court and receive just compensation."

If you were joking, I didn't get it -- my apologies in advance for being duh-witted this aft. I'm still trying to get the hang o'this blogging thang.

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Submitted by amberglow on

when our Congressional Dems had spines and fought and controlled it with an iron fist.

We've been shut out of the Presidency a lot, and we still did great, and we held control of Congress for decades. Sadly, all the current Congressional leaders are too weak and give in way too much.

If we had had a strong opposition and they used the checks and balances in Congress, Bush would never have gotten away with all this horror--we have the power to stop bad presidents and obstructionist Repubs in Congress too--they just have been afraid to use it. They really are the problem.

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Submitted by kangeroo on

"I just think he'll be our new Carter
And after his disastrous presidency, Dems will be locked out for another generation, which means we will incur more damage than we would have by just letting McCain win it in ’08. 4 years of McSame now, or 12 years of some Bush copycats later. That’s not a hard question for me at all."

EXACTLY--you just took the damn words right outta my mouth!!! vastleft, you know i love you--but i'm with aeryl here. (btw, aeryl, i love your tagline.)

i'd also add that what makes the willful sabotage of our brand even worse this time around is that obama is not a democrat. repeat after me, folks: OBAMA IS AN INDEPENDENCE PARTY IMPOSTOR engaged in political arbitrage, peddling his shitty nonpartisan wares in a civic market where the dem brand, no thanks to him, is valuable and has a tremendous amount of goodwill.

this parasite known as obama is even worse than carter. at least carter ruined our brand out of genuine commitment to dem ideals. i can’t understand how people can fail to see that barry does not give a flying FUCK about the dem party's long-term survival or well-being, except as a vehicle for his own (ideologically noncommittal) rise.

the tremendous goodwill dems have right now with the public is due in equal parts to (1) bill clinton’s successful presidency and (2) george bush jr.’s catastrophic presidency. and now, the incompetent dem party leadership is selling off our valuable brand and its goodwill—which took 16+ MOTHERFUCKING YEARS to build up and to which (with the isolated exception of dean) they’ve contributed NOTHING to increase its value—to the newest, wealthiest, nonpartisan bidder in town.

no. fucking. way.

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Submitted by amberglow on

do you really think Obama can beat the straight-talkin' maverick st. McCain?

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Submitted by kangeroo on

i think there's a very good chance that obama will lose, even if we nominate him. i wouldn't go so far as to say he's completely and utterly unelectable, but he's certainly a worse bet than clinton. i reject the "expanding the electoral map" bullshit out of hand, because what that really means is just electing more nonpartisan candidates with a "D" after their names--like sebelius. i think it's superficial and ultimately worthless.

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Submitted by amberglow on

& McCain winning em, while Obama also doesn't get Hispanics or women or old people--or white guys.

I don't think voters are demanding "changing the system" at all--we're demanding fixing of problems, and reversing what the GOP has done, and moving forward on practical issues/needs--irregardless of the system. (I'm looking at all this Perot stuff for another thread and he was all about that too--he lost also.)

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Submitted by Aeryl on

that has been built up, as kangeroo says, and if many of us who are hesitant to vote for Obama are brought back into the fold for the election, as vastleft and many others propose, he could win the election.

I won't come back, but my state won't go for Obama, so it's no sweat off my brow. But he could win, but it would be a disaster. I've suffered under Bush, and I know I will suffer under McCain, but it will be worth it if we can come back in four years. As sad as it is to say, if ever there were a village that needed to be destroyed, so it could be saved, it is the Democratic Party. This is also true of the Republican party, but unfortunately I can't control what they do with their party. And I like to think Dems are more principled than Repubs, so while they won't destroy their party because of the power, we are supposed to be better than that.

*kangaroo, I saw a 70 year old man wearing my tag on a button at a Clinton rally. I thought it was absolutely priceless. If Clinton loses the nomination(knock on wood) I'll change it, but I want to keep it until November ;D

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by amberglow on

will vote for any Dem that he needs--it's those he's insulted and already alienated and who are mad at him--and he still has not proposed the policies that they want and need, and are getting from Clinton. Those people, if they're not going to get red meat, might as well vote for the guy they know who didn't insult and talk down to them--that's McCain.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

it has no specific ideology or goal.

I'm against waste, fraud and abuse, and I am in favor of progress.

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Real Democrats aren't afraid of democracy

48 + 2 = legitimacy