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Submitted by gqmartinez on

Apparently, the suspect is supposedly in my area (U. Washington) and the building I'm in is being searched or something. Got in before that started.

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Submitted by S Brennan on

"I wonder, is anyone else old enough to remember when the A-list had interests other than promoting and defending deeply compromised politics at all costs?" - VastLeft

Uhm...no. What I remember "way back then" is a bunch of self appointed "military experts"....dudes that had never served, but who were pro-Iraq-Invasion solemnly talking about national duty, searching for words that would convey gravitas to their years of inexperience.

Then later, how every one of those experts wound up saying Obama was the "peace Candidate", Ezra, Josh, Kevin...then there was the wanna bees at Legal Fiction/Obsidian...frankly I thought blogs were compromised from the start. It seemed most bloggers were like those singers on that TV show…they didn’t want to put their time in the band…just make me a star.

I think Ezra & Josh were the worst of that lot, ten years apart in age , but the book-ends of a certain generation for whom a sense of entitlement is so internalized they can’t see the tremendous harm their self serving duplicity has wreaked on the medium, rendering the blogs into star vehicles, as meaningless as the National Inquirer.

Quite a lot of damage, for a couple of punks with a computer, they have effectively muzzled the medium by discrediting it.

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Submitted by jumpjet on

sense of entitlement. I suppose the current crop of A-Listers are all from Generation X, which was perhaps the first 'me' generation, and additionally, was a generation saturated with Reagan's propaganda.

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Submitted by jumpjet on

As a young person, my hackles always rise when someone talks about generations, because inevitably the conversation's going to turn to my generation and how awful we are.

Submitted by lambert on

"Kids these days" goes all the way back to the Sumerians, no doubt.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

and perennial disrupters like Chris Matthews, yes, generational analysis is horribly destructive. (oh, and the FKDP, but I probably didn't need to say that part).

I disagree about every generation since the Boomers feeling entitled -- people who grew up about the same time I did (a kid in the 70s and the decade's spectacularly sucky economy) certainly don't seem to have the same inherent sense of entitlement that many (not all) younger folks do. I have no idea what generation I'd be considered part of, born too late for Boomers and too soon for Gen X, but I do know there's a generalized approach that I share with a lot of people my age because of common experiences.

Generation analysis is like almost everything else, it can be used for good or for evil. And in general whenever someone's handing you a simplistic read on a whole generation, it's probably not for good. I'd guess that the upper echelon/privileged within any generation have always demonstrated a severe sense of entitlement. It just happens that in this age, the priveleged/entitled combo is playing itself out through the shiny technology of the internet, and the playground is the political process. The question is whether they reflect merely the entitlement of their class or of an age range, or a combination of both.

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Submitted by jumpjet on

That means nothing major is being fucked up. Or, at least, the fuckup is currently proceeding at a tolerable and hopefully haltable pace.

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Submitted by S Brennan on

Every Generation has it's opportunities and it's resultant sins. What the two Steves did, what Bill Gates did belongs to the mid/late boomers. What Josh [Generation X] did and what Ezra [Generation "why"] did - - belong to them because of the time period they found themselves in.

Just as an "enlightened" white person of 1863 might appear "racist" today, so to we should judge things in context of their time. While I agree generational warfare has been used to subjugate people [most profoundly in the US], that should not prevent us from recognizing context of time.

There is/always will be a generational war, every generation tries to prematurely shove the other aside, younger managers are loath to hire somebody who has more experience so they dismiss the older worker by saying their skills aren’t “current”, HR departments understand fully that older workers cost more medically and will make health insurance premiums rise, they look for anything that prevents the resume from being shown to the hiring manager. Employer based health insurance guarantees this outcome, so younger workers will of course favor something that gives them an edge.

Laws to prevent discrimination are written in way that makes them expensive to enforce so only the wealthy may avail themselves. In my profession, engineering discrimination begins after about ten years on the job, either you move into management or you are moved out. That is why I tell relatives not to choose Engineering in the US, unless you have good language skills that will allow you to work overseas. Your mileage may vary, but an engineering degree is only good for about ten to fifteen years of income in the US. A few weeks back an agency recruiting for MS ran an asking “5-7 years experience, Mandarin language, 3 yrs Wildfire 3 or 4 CAD, will not consider candidates with experience in older versions”. Perfectly Discriminatory, Perfectly Legal. That’s why Bill Gates can go in front of congress and say we don’t have enough engineers.

I do think I was a little vague when I said “the book-ends of a certain generation for whom a sense of entitlement is so internalized they can’t see the tremendous harm their self serving duplicity has wreaked on the medium”. When I said generation, I meant time period in which some upper –middle income classes saw their understanding of the internet as some God-like ability which gave them deity like vision. The fact that Josh and Ezra have been wrong on almost all that they expounded on seems not to have dampened their great self-appreciation of themselves and should provide ample evidence of “a sense of entitlement is so internalized they can’t see the tremendous harm their self serving duplicity has wreaked on the medium” So in summary, identifying time periods in which overly-ambitious emerge is not being dismissive of a generation, but I should have chosen my words more carefully.

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Submitted by nihil obstet on

There are legitimate areas for generational analysis. From Krugman today: Meanwhile, students who graduate into a poor labor market start their careers at a huge disadvantage — and pay a price in lower earnings for their whole working lives.

It makes a difference whether you spend formative years in a good economy or a bad one, in a stable one or an insecure one. I'd be unhappy if I entered the job market in bad times, and for the next forty years and throughout retirement had less than comparable people a few years older and a few years younger. The older people would be greedy, and the younger ones afflicted with a sense of entitlement. And then, it makes a difference whether your emotional reaction to the country at war was formed by World War II, Vietnam, Gulf War I, or Gulf War II. The experiences affect most of the generation, but individuals will be affected in different ways. Experiences of economic insecurity will make some people more selfish, others more cooperative, so Generation __ is ________, is at best simplistic, and really just wrong.

Nonetheless, I see a lot of demographic analysis about the political behavior of age groups that leaves out the experiences and just assumes inherent characteristics. I suspect it has to do with the American belief in the sovereign individual -- social and economic factors are airbrushed right out of analysis.