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Classics from The Big O: "I don't know what that says about the online audience"

Consider this another Netroots Nation Special!

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Marijuana initiatives bring out D voters.

Which is no doubt why one of the first things The Big O did, in his continued and successful effort to destroy the D brand and, indeed, the possibility of governance that is "successful" for anybody but the ruling elite, was to diss those voters and take the idea off the table [2009-03-26]

THE PRESIDENT: Three point five million people voted [in an online poll before Obama's first Town Hall]. I have to say that there was one question that was voted on that ranked fairly high and that was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy -- (laughter) -- and job creation. And I don't know what this says about the online audience* -- (laughter) -- but I just want -- I don't want people to think that -- this was a fairly popular question; we want to make sure that it was answered. The answer is, no, I don't think that is a good strategy -- (laughter) -- to grow our economy. (Applause.)

Pretty funny, huh?

It's a two-fer! The big Fuck you to his own base, and the big Fuck you to the "differently employed"! Boy, what a tell that was! (And the "(laughter)" is a huge tell, too, if it comes to that. Versailles...)

NOTE * Many of whom are, no doubt, meeting in Vegas right now. A subset of 'em is, no doubt, debating whether Obama is really, in his heart of hearts, if any, a "progressive." Perhaps they could hold a panel discussion?

NOTE Obama is such an asshole.

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Submitted by Lex on

An asshole and an idiot. Even a decade ago, marijuana revenue was up there with corn, wheat and soy. Currently it all sloshes around unaccounted for and mostly untaxed (except sales taxes and the odd person claiming "miscellaneous income"). So instead of gathering a fair - or unfair as the case may be - percentage of that revenue, Obama is all for continuing to spend money to distort the free markets he claims fealty to.

More importantly, he seems unconcerned about throwing his precious "youth vote" away. Find me a person under 40 who thinks that marijuana should be criminal. Other than the prison-industrial complex, who probably won't vote for him anyhow, he's just alienating voters. For example, in my state there was a medical marijuana referendum on the ballot in '08. Obama beat McCain pretty handily here, but the marijuana initiative bested Obama's percentage by, iirc, something like 13 points. That means that a whole lot of people who didn't cast a presidential vote voted for marijuana and/or a whole lot of people who voted for McCain also voted for marijuana. That is, dope is far more popular than hope.

And the worst part is that he doesn't need to go to Congress or change any laws at all. He could simply instruct the FDA and the DEA to reexamine the classification of cannabis on the drug schedule (as per the 1970 Controlled Substances Act, scheduling is wholly under the purview of the executive branch). Since every report since Nixon has recommending not being so uptight about it, rescheduling should be easy. Just like that, the issue is resolved and whoever does it gains huge amounts of voter loyalty from a generally apathetic demographic.

So i'm hoping that California decriminalizes the stuff in 2010, just because i want to see Obama squirm. Does he spend the two years leading up to his reelection fighting California and its 53 electoral votes in court so that he can overrule the will of the people? Or does he back down?

Submitted by lambert on

How do you destroy the Ds and confidence in goverance without alienating voters? Huh? Huh? Answer me that, Mr. Smarty Pants Communist!

Submitted by Lex on

I don't have an answer to that, even with all the smarts in my Communist pants.

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

or do any of the sensible things you mention. Big Pharma won't have it. if that means he has to kiss CA's electoral votes away, he'll do it. He's a good servant to power like that.

Submitted by Lex on

Which makes the situation all the more interesting to me. Whether he likes it or not, California passing the referendum (and last time i checked, state pols were leaning in favor of it because they have a realistic idea of the revenue) could be the thing that sparks an honest-to-god Constitutional crisis.

It's got Interstate Commerce Clause and 10th Amendment facets. It ends up being much bigger than libertarian ideas about a lowly annual.

The tide has, however, already turned. More and more states will skirt federal law with medicinal referendums and cities/counties are already calling it quits on enforcement. For example, my county prosecutor wrote into the paper after our medicinal law passed and said that the office would help defendants use the medical defense even if they didn't have a card. (Which is quite easy because the law states that the State must award the card within two weeks if the paperwork is in order, so it only takes making sure that the trial date is set with enough time for the card to arrive...whereupon the case can be thrown out.)

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Submitted by cenobite on

Which is the gold standard of California polling, has prop 19 losing 44-48.

Main opposition is latin-american (36-62) and african-american (40-52) communities.

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Submitted by tarheel-leftist85 on

It's merely about getting elected--both Congress and the preznit. Hence, the proliferation (or at least prominence) of primaries in both legacy parties. Some of the courtiers think they can get theirs too (post-retirement/defeat corporate boardroom or lobbying sinecures). That's also why some of the self-proclaimed moderates of Versailles are always pushing term limits (just codify the behavior into law). There are exceptions too: Ted Kennedy helping GWB exterminate public schools, Chris Dodd being the duffel-bag boi for the financial sector, etc. Does O really care whether he's re-elected? I'd imagine the OFB and PROgressive bloggers are more concerned--constant managing the message and sending cultural signals. For O, for any in either legacy party, the only thing that need concern him/them is whether their successors maintain the ratchet.

For the individual politician, getting re-elected really doesn't matter. For the legacy parties, it's merely about remaining viable and maintaining complementary niche markets.

Actually, split control after Nov 2010 would be the perfect opportunity for O to have his hands "forced" to privatize Social Security, singularly by Michelle Bachmann or Jim DeMint of course! No fingerprints exclusively with either legacy party...just like Graham-Bliley-Leach of 1999.

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

they are simply some of the best people i've ever worked with. several, and i mean a fairly large number given how new the law is, that i know provide medicine to poor patients at no cost, just to show they're not in it for the money and because they are true believers in the healing power of mj.

one licensed dealer i know related the following story: he was introduced to a poor, sick woman with a disease that is lifelong and reduces her to having debilitating seizures frequently. her medi-program doctors have given her ever drug under the sun to control it, without positive results. he brought her some of his liquid concentrate, a tincture he makes out of unsmokable leftover mj, and put a few drops on her tongue. her seizure stopped immediately. he has lots more success stories. don't ever let anyone convince you it's not an effective medicine, because it is.

Submitted by Lex on

I have a theory that humans learned plant domestication from Cannabis, but i'll save that for another time as i've frittered away too much of my day already and need to get on with some building/planting.

You're right, so far at least the medical mj community here seems to have their heads screwed on straight. Give it to the people who really need it and charge all the doctors and lawyers faking golf injuries.

It will be interesting to see what happens now that dispensaries are starting to spring up. I'm sure the DEA will feel that it has to make its presence known and curb stomp some sick people to make a point.