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Hillary Clinton gave back Caroline Kennedy money after Obama endorsement

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Hilarious.

Read the whole post, which details why the behavior of Caroline Kennedy has only resulted in her shooting herself in the foot--repeatedly. And why Governor Patterson isn't as boxed in as others think:

Paterson isn't in thrall to the Kennedy clan because he comes from a political dynasty himself. His father, Basil Paterson, was a state senator, a New York City deputy mayor under Ed Koch and New York secretary of state. Along with David Dinkins (Mayor 1989 - 1993), Percy Sutton (Manhattan Borough President 1965-1977) and Rep. Charles B. Rangel (now chairman of the powerful tax-writing Ways and Means Committee), the elder Paterson formed a potent political force that schooled his son in the nuances, benefits and perils of power politics.

Political dynasties teach their members two important lessons: independence and the importance of loyalty. So don't be shocked if Paterson defies expectations and picks someone who is politically loyal to him -- not to a legendary uncle and not to a president who's candidacy gained momentum after a stunning endorsement -- and to the interests of New York State.

I leave you with vintage Hillary Rodham schooling the haters*:

*Yes, any Democrat who stood silently by in the face of an all-out media smear campaign, RBC fraud and corruption, and heinous misogynistic bigotry is a "hater."

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Submitted by Damon on

She even maxed out to Clinton, who gave the money back after Kennedy publicly endorsed Barack Obama.

I'm laughing so hard I hope the folks on the other side of Lake Michigan (**cough** Chicagoland **cough**) can hear me.

I can't believe they wouldn't have guessed that celebrity is a double-edged sword. If they think they can sneak another dispassionate showhorse by us sight unseen, they've got another thing coming. That's not to imply Paterson picking one of his own will turn out to be a better choice, but at least we know that he's not making this decision with stars in his eyes.

So, yeah, on giving back the money...Thanks, but keep the change. :)

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Submitted by Davidson on

I, too, am taken aback by how poorly Caroline and her handlers managed her political debut. Damn, it's bad. The whole thing just comes off as, "I'm entitled, damn it!" I think she thought the way the media treated Obama (Protect at all costs!) would apply to her, Princess of Camelot. But even the Times couldn't restrain their disdain for her. Honestly, when even the Obama-loving media and the foreign press focuses on how many "you knows" your candidate has the unfortunate habit of saying, you're in trouble (Obama loves his "uhs" but how many articles even mention, let alone highlight, that? Exactly.).

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Submitted by Damon on

Jeeze, they are being plain brutal. I hope she now realizes the extent to which the media tore apart the other prominent women that ran for high office, this year (and every single year before that), and how much is expected of someone with the last name of "Kennedy".

The Village is so much like high school. Caroline thought she was an was one of the "in" kids. Guess not, huh?

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Submitted by CMike on

Is there anyone over thirty who says "you know" more frequently than Caroline Kennedy?

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Submitted by amberglow on

someone with every possible advantage in life, and she can't speak clearly.

pathetic-- especially considering how articulate and composed John Jr and Jackie were -- JFK had an "err" problem tho -- (we had a First Family parody album and it was all him saying "I, err, think, err, ...)

ahh! it's on youtube!

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Submitted by vastleft on

No question, CK's potential coronation as Senator is a microcosm for the primacy of money and fame in national politics, but I'm still having trouble getting on board the derision train. Sorry.

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Submitted by Davidson on

It's the fact that Hillary Clinton gave it back after the Obama endorsement. So it's not really so much me laughing at Caroline, but instead being rather impressed with Hillary Clinton's pride, her attitude. And to be honest, I feel sorry for Caroline Kennedy right now. I actually agree with Goodwin on this one.

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Submitted by Damon on

For me, it was maxing out on giving to Clinton and then endorsing Obama. Maybe it's a pet peeve of mine, but I find it shady when you have donors who give to more than one campaign in any given race. It's smacks of covering all of your bases as a donor making sure you have access to whomever ends up winning.

Hillary and Obama announced relatively at the same time their runs for president. It's obvious that Caroline changed, because neither Obama nor Hillary changed from the time she maxed out for Hillary (and I'm assuming it was before the start of the primaries) to when the primaries actually started.

On a side note, I hold in particular disdain any of those high-profile individuals who used their power to endorse Obama after the shame that was the South Carolina primary.

And, BTW, the most recent criticism of Caroline by the MSM (i.e. counting her "uhmms") I find unfair and silly. People seem to be piling on just to pile on, and it's very reminiscent, now, of how Hillary and Palin were treated. That said, my sympathy doesn't extended nearly so far given Caroline's high-profile enabling (by endorsing and then speaking for him on more than one occassion) of the Obama campaign that helped egg on the very same treatment of Hillary and Palin that she's now on the other end of.

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Submitted by pie on

in which congressional district Caroline Kennedy resides?

I could see her running for a House seat first. The Senate's a different ballgame. OTOH, look at some of the male senators, who are dumb as stumps. At least she's intelligent.

Although I don't like the way she's been pushed to the head of the line, there are worse possibilities out there. Remember: the best qualified don't always win. Many of them don't even run for office in the first place (for one reason or another). This appointment will be the biggest test of Paterson's tenure. I wonder what Spitzer would have done.

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Submitted by pie on

Then forget that (unless Maloney happens to get picked for Hillary's seat), :)

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Submitted by Valhalla on

I've been mostly out of the CK loop this past week, and while I think much of the criticism is well-deserved, the pile-on about the ums is over the top. It's something that may rank a mention or a comment, but the avidness with which people are going at it is indeed reminiscent of the campaigns in which any slight thing was viciously jumped on and blown up all out of proportion. I guess viciousness is a hard habit to break.

Although, while I would argue against positing her speech patterns as a make or break factor, it is rather difficult to feel a lot of sympathy for CK, since she helped build the machine that has now turned on her. I think she and her handlers really misunderstood the potential for backlash involved in being handed not just a job but a Senatorship.

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Submitted by Damon on

Although, while I would argue against positing her speech patterns as a make or break factor, it is rather difficult to feel a lot of sympathy for CK, since she helped build the machine that has now turned on her. I think she and her handlers really misunderstood the potential for backlash involved in being handed not just a job but a Senatorship.

That's exactly what I was thinking and saying to a "T" (oh, and the first part, too). She willing played along and became an integral part of condoning the very kind of ravenous piling-on that sh'e receiving now. So, while I don't condone the treatment she's being given, I can't find much sympathy for her, personally, at all.

And, I think you're right on the mishandling by her handlers. People seem to forget that this isn't just "some Senate seat", this is the Senate seat in what is still the third most populous state in the country, and a Senate seat that apart from covering all of New York also includes one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world. It's unfortunate that she didn't bring her A-game, if she's yet capable of bringing such force having never been in public office at the national level, before.

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Submitted by amberglow on

we have a long history of mocking the powerful and the elite -- and Kennedy counts as one of them, no?

And also -- before these interviews, very few of us had ever ever heard her speak without a script -- she never has here in New York to my knowledge. I'd never heard her speak except for those tiny intros at Obama rallies elsewhere, and i'm not young.

We had no clue she couldn't speak clearly.

We immediately noticed it -- and also because the content of her speech was the same bland nothings we hear all the time -- When the content is forgettable, and the manner of speech is so not what was expected, can you really call it piling on?

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Submitted by amberglow on

Slate XX factor --

... What with all the time spent this year by women and journalists and everyone else obsessing over Sarah Palin's looks and lipsticks and wardrobe, it's hard to believe the absolute dearth of women journalists obsessing over Caroline Kennedy's physical appearance, makeup choices, and hairstyles. Why are her highlights not front-page news? I haven't a clue. Perhaps people are more interested in focusing on her politics. Just kidding! ...

and this response -- Caroline K., World's Last Botox Holdout --

... Why aren't women (and other) writers obsessing about Caroline Kennedy's makeup and hair, cleavage and (lack of) peep-toe pumps? I wonder if it doesn't have to do with the fact that her looks are at odds with the preferred narrative about Caroline Bouvier Kennedy, child of privilege and woman of leisure. I mean, she's a handsome woman, but she doesn't look like she spends her life getting facials and shopping, does she? If the visuals screamed Park Avenue Princess, you can bet we would be going on and on about them.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

and the lack of discussion. I'm guessing it is because Kennedy is not at all challenging to the power structure. Clinton's and Palin's looks were obsessed over because both for different reasons busted the traditional and yes, patriarchal power structure. Clinton by being a post-menopausal woman of power (she would have been burned for a witch a couple of hundred years ago for successfully seeking and largely winning a powerful position) and Palin by 1) threatening Obama's popularity; and 2) threatening the class structure by being a low-down, trashy sexpot who dared to rise above her barroom brawl tier.

CK threatens no one. She's soft spoken, not aggressive, not outspoken, not disagreeable, not bold, she put being a mom before her work for 20+ years, and when she did work she was fundraising for charities (working for charity is something even the most misogynistic among us allow women to do), she doesn't brag about her accomplishments, she won't rock the boat (has never rocked the boat), not a castrating bitch, etc etc.

For all our discussions about possible sexism with relation to CK, the fact of her easy initial acceptance for one of the most powerful positions in the U.S. is paradoxically one of the things I have found sexist about the whole discussion. Yes, it sounds oxymoronic -- the lack of sexist invective shows how sexist we still are as a country. But aside from her stated alignment with Democratic views (whatever those are this week), she could pose for posters of the traditional political wife (only in this case, not so much wife to the nonpolitical Schlossberg, but to the Kennedy clan).

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Submitted by amberglow on

she's using -- it's totally retrograde, and totally praised by the system -- and wholly dependent on powerful Men alone. And it's also very class-based -- and only available to those who are already connected to power.

it's Nancy Reagan whispering into Ronnie's ear or getting someone hired or fired that way. It's using the old-boy's network. ...

it reinforces that women shouldn't be openly ambitious. that it's not "seemly" to run for office and work your way up like men do. ...

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Submitted by Valhalla on

Mocking is absolutely legit. It's the driving viciousness I object to. Or maybe the gleeful viciousness. Dubya sounded like an idiot most of the time, but had he been otherwise sound politically (hard to imagine, I know), people would have made fun of him but not, most likely, written whole columns about his speech patterns and then extensively discussed the analysis of those same speech patterns.

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Submitted by amberglow on

i think all of us had expectations based on JFK, Jackie and John Jr -- as well as all the other Kennedys in public service like Teddy, RFK Jr and Kerry, etc. That she didn't even meet a baseline -- and of how vitally important communication is in terms of public service and wanting an office like Senator. Also that we New Yorkers are big-mouthed and talkers-- as a rule -- and we value it very very highly -- and demand it of our public officials too.

I think vicious is how Hillary's always been treated -- this ain't it.

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Submitted by Damon on

No one took on Obama for his obvious stammering ways. It's not just about her being a Kennedy if even that's the largest part. Just the other day I counted at least three times on the MSM where the consensus was that somehow Paterson should make the decision, now, to put Caroline's chances out of its misery. It was a very sexist "poor girl" argument that had nothing to do with her being a Kennedy. Yes, the more this has went on, it has most definitely taken on a sexist piling-on tone.

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Submitted by amberglow on

positive articles than negative by far -- esp in the Times -- like this -- For Kennedy, Self-Promotion Is Unfamiliar

and the video interviews were overwhelmingly respectful and softball, i thought.

i'd say it's how she handled those --it's herself, unfiltered by her handlers and supporters -- that have caused much of the negative stuff now -- she didn't match the sales job done, nor meet the standards that her own people had been selling since the beginning, let alone those we all have of what a Kennedy should be like.

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Obama and Dubya both had been elected to office, and been in public. Their communication problems -- when unscripted or not -- had already been shown not to be dealbreakers, and Obama had his scripted speeches for them to rave over, and they had Bush's time as Governor of TX as well as his father to rave over. They made Bush's speech into an asset, proving he was a "regular guy"-- and they just ignored Obama's probs when off-script entirely because he read a teleprompter so well.

Kennedy had purposely avoided the public for decades, so the media only had a little to go with -- the Kennedy "story" and "magic", and all the powerful supporters pushing her from both DC and NY.

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Submitted by amberglow on

when asked why you want to be in the Senate representing NY. -- it deserves to be mocked in itself. It's like saying "what the hell" -- that it doesn't really matter that much.

... As I said, it was kind of over a period of time, you know, obviously we talked about politics, we talked about what’s going on, we’ve been watching the team that the president-elect is putting together — Hillary Clinton is going to be a spectacular part of that team, you know, then there was a vacancy here, you know, just like everybody else, you know: who’s going to fill it, isn’t that interesting, there’s a lot of great candidates, you know, obviously I have become much more politically involved than I have in the past, so you know, I figure, why not try, I really think I have something to offer. ...

it's all about her -- and not in any way about New York or New Yorkers.

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Submitted by amberglow on

New Yorker of the Year: Hillary Clinton proved a woman of resolve and class --

The most powerful woman in the world.

So Hillary Clinton will become with the dawn of a new White House. Madam Secretary of State. A strong hand in a velvet glove, extended to the globe on behalf of the most anticipated presidency in generations.

Short of Barack Obama, no American today­ has a greater opportunity to shape international history than does New York’s departing ­junior U.S. senator. ...

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Submitted by amberglow on

Conason a few weeks ago -- and not one of her supporters --nor Kennedy herself-- has mentioned it at all ---

The Matter of Caroline's Qualifications

Caroline Kennedy made her political debut in Manhattan almost exactly 10 years ago, when she showed up as the surprise speaker at a “teach-in” against the impeachment of Bill Clinton at New York University Law School. ...

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Submitted by Damon on

Yeah, you'd think this is something they'd be trumpeting, but I guess being against the impeachment would be to "divisive" for our current political environment. I mean, surely she wouldn't want to be seen as a *gasp* Democrat! Really, Obama doesn't know what he's done to the party (and, quite frankly, if he does, he doesn't care).