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Haven't we heard the last of flag lapel pins?

Honestly.

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One thing that never ceases to amaze is the stupidity of the Conservative Movement. Or the willingness of our famously free press to buy into their narratives.

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

We've probably heard the last of "flag pins"... but we haven't heard the last of "the flag pin controversy."

that's the beauty of the smear machine -- it doesn't matter is a controversy is based on anything substantive, once you can say there was a controvery, its always going to be a controvery you can throw in at any remotely appropriate setting.

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Submitted by amberglow on

the GOP is just getting started in cranking it all up--their emails circulating were just the teaser for what's to come, i think--and this will grow and grow.

And then there are the people they'll make into his "Willie Hortons"--ugh. (if Rezko goes to jail, he'll be first, then the WU people, and his church, and Farrakhan, etc)

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Submitted by Sima on

which have a substantial Ron Paul, right wing kind of element. They are lists about farming and NAIS; farmer's rights. You'd think tailor-made for Democrats, but I'm afraid not. It's very interesting how the ideas expressed on these lists, the things the farmers want, are really basic core Democratic ideas. But something gets lost in the translation. I think it's because Democrats are seen as 1. Anti-land owning, 2. For city labor, but not country labor 3. Willing to tax land rich people harder than capital rich people (meaning people with health in stocks, bonds, etc), 4. pro-development, 5. pro-nanny state (which means taking ownership rights away), and probably other historical reasons. We haven't evolved as a party to be anti-big-corporation enough, which is what would really fly with these people. They really aren't all that worried about abortion, church or whatever. But being rolled over by a mega-factory farm? You bet they're worried.

Anyway, the disinformation that gets passed around these lists about Obama and Clinton (and even McCain sometimes) is amazing. The Muslim meme. It's gonna stick, hard. No matter how many times one or the other of us on the list points out it's wrong, it doesn't change their minds and it always comes back. There are other memes that are sticking as well. McCain is too soft (heh). Clinton is too liberal (another heh).

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Submitted by amberglow on

to speak of those things and not come off as pandering or as it being just lipservice, it seemed.

For all the personality/persona emphasis in this race, "the southern white guy who made good" had what appeared to be the most attraction to those kinds of people (but then again i don't know--i'm a liberal gay NYC boy my whole life--i do know tho, that much of the country absolutely sees Dems as bigcity elitist liberals because of the GOP's false portrayal of us for decades and our terrible choices of Presidential candidates like Dukakis and Kerry, etc--that's pretty much set in stone, sadly--even tho most Americans believe in everything we do and not in the GOP agenda at all)

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Don't worry, the flag pin, like the pledge of allegiance non-issue, is merely the ground work for much worse smears to come. That's why they seem lame, they are. But, they are lame with a purpose, to get people to question Obama's patriotism so that when the worst of it comes, people will be mroe receptive of it. The worst of it, I presume with include Obama's ties to William Ayers, his Kenyan cousin, his church's more extreme beliefs, Louis Farrakhan's unfortunate endorsement, etc.

Think of how easily all the Clinton smears trip so easily off the Obama supporters' tongues. That's years and years of smears, each one a little worse than the last, and it's the totality that takes the toll and it does so by morphing into character traits that aren't even connected to the original "scandal." Which is why we know that Hillary is a triangulator, with no core values, who cares only about herself and not her country or party, will do anything to win and is a mean, horrible shrew. Similarly, Gore is a sanctimonious liar. You see how it works.

So by the end, the lapel pin bullshit only matters because it's part of a larger narrative the GOP is gearing up to paint about Obama. It's not clear exactly what that is, but my guess is that they're going for that oldie, but goody, Obama is a liberal out of step with mainstream America. He may sound like he's a centrist, but that's only masking his radical religious and political beliefs.

Ironically, I'd feel better about Obama if I thought he was trying to hide his extreme liberalism behind the mask of Unity. Instead, I suspect he's telling us exactly how he intends to govern - centrist consensus.

Submitted by lambert on

if he makes it through.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

which is basically how i think Hillary will govern as well.

and the main reason I'm supporting her instead of Obama is that the country is so screwed up that a competent center-rightist is a better choice than someone who is likely to be totally overwhelmed by the by day 20.

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Submitted by Sima on

I support(ed) him from my heart and my head. He spoke directly to me. And yes, the people on these lists liked what he said, although of course, the 'lawyer' tag was used a lot about him.

I agree that these stupid smears are just laying the ground work. At my caucus in WA state I couldn't believe the right wing smears that flowed so easily from supposedly Democratic tongues about Clinton. It was disgusting. And I'd agreed with the campaign to not 'fight' or 'argue'. I wish I had, I wanted to tell them the same thing Hillary did, 'Shame on YOU!'.

So I expect such smears will being to flow more and more about Obama. And soon the smears will be accepted knowledge. It's sick. And I don't even like Obama!

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Submitted by BDBlue on

I tend to agree that on most issues - particularly foreign policy - Clinton will be center or center-right, not much different than Obama, with two exceptions, universal healthcare and, of course, as you note competence from the get-go. I can see a universe in which Clinton is a great liberal leader, but I can see that for Obama, too, and while I think the odds are slightly better for Clinton, I think they aren't great for either and I'm not going to kid myself about that.

But the two areas where I think Clinton is better are huge issues for me because I think UHC has the potential for being a great big step towards building future support for liberal programs and because it would mean so much for so many Americans. And as a federal employee, I can't tell you how desperately we need good management from day one. The strong civil service that has carried the government through transition periods has been decimated by the Bush Administration. I'm not sure we can withstand the same kind of transition period we've had between administrations recently. Folks are assuming a capacity that I think just isn't there. Take whatever damage you think has been done at DOJ and other publicly humiliated departments and spread it across the entire federal government.

And, while I don't think it's incredibly likely that Clinton will be some great liberal leader, I do think she'll be a partisan one so that any success she has will be a success for the democratic party and not simply a victory for a particular, singular politician. When I was trying to decide who to support, an image kept coming to my mind. You know those old movies where you have the good guy and the bad guy sword fighting and at some point the good guy pins the bad guy to the ground and has his sword on the bad guy's neck? Well, in my mind, if the bad guy is the Republican Party and the good guy is Clinton, there's no doubt she runs the sword through. With Obama, I think he's much more likely to let the bad guy up, having made his point (indeed, I'd argue that's basically what his Unity campaign is - a promise to do just that now that the GOP is on the ropes). I've come to accept that I might be in the minority, but I'd much rather a Democratic President who runs the sword through.

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Submitted by Sima on

I agree with your points, it's why I'm supporting Hillary, and I think she would be more likely to run the sword through.

The damage done to the federal government by Bush is astronomical. I think the whole malaise started with Reagan and was made better, but not fixed by Bill. And now it's just worse, so very badly worse.

A change in direction, like UHC. could see the government revitalized in so many directions.