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For those waiting for the Hillary shoe to drop on FISA...

vastleft's picture

As I wrote in comments here:

In case it's somehow not obvious, Hillary's position here is far different from Obama's.

She is -- where many folks are happy to put her -- in a damned-if-she-does, damned-if-she-doesn't situation.

If she takes a strong stand on FISA, she's upstaging the new head of her party (the party she's famously tried to destroy in her monstrous, she-devil, racist, entitled, etc., etc. ways).

If she votes alongside Obama, she's just as bad, and Obama can no longer be criticized for his weaselly position on our Constitutional freedoms.

Obama wanted the ball, and he's got it. It's in his court

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Submitted by willyjsimmons on

That people are waiting with baited breath for Hillary to say something, after spending months begging her to STFU and die from her evilness.

Waiting for Hillary to swoop in and "save" you NOW???

Or...waiting for Hillary to provide fellow Kool-Aid drinkers with the rationalizations they desire to continue defending Obama?

Ohhhhhhh te he fuckin he.

Who brought the popcorn!?

I'll take mines with EXTRA butter.

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Submitted by bringiton on

She's not even planning on showing up at the Senate this summer, or on the campaign trail any more than she has to. Obama has a firm grip on his own petard; what he does with it next is his problem.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Had read from several sources that she wasn't expected back until after the 4th of July recess.

Must be feeling perky.

Submitted by lambert on

She's got to campaign with Obama in Unity, NH on Friday.

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by joc on

There is no Misogyny, NH. And even if there was, it wouldn't be big enough to have an effect on the campaign.

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Submitted by Auntie Meme on

Auntie: "I'll take 'damned if she does' [take a strong stand against FISA] for $200 Alex."
Trebek: Remember to phrase your answer in the form of a question.
Auntie: "What on earth has Hillary Clinton got left to lose?"

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Submitted by vastleft on

She's pledged to work hard to get the (presumptive) nominee elected, and she must be cognizant of the way it will make Obama look if she votes her conscience instead of her party loyalty.

Submitted by jawbone on

will do?

I meant to do so today, but got mixed up in that living stuff.

Anyone made the call?

Maybe she can save him from himself by taking up the Dodd/Feingold cudgels and going after this obscene assault on the 4th Amendment. Rise, Hillary, rise!

Dowdy would certainly love to call Hillary emasculating if she does such a thing, but perhaps the Hoyt critique and criticism will put a damper on Dowdy's ragin' sexism...for awhile.

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Submitted by basement angel on

without making a big deal about her opposition. No one, but her supporters, will note her opposition. There won't be a word about it on DK or MSNBC. Instead, many DK'ers will claim she voted for it and use that to justify Obama's vote.

that's what will happen.

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Submitted by willyjsimmons on

or anyone else bothered to reach Clinton's office and find out?

Or is everyone pulling a Russert and waiting for her people to call them? (see Somerby, I'm lazy)

Would be interesting to find that lil nugget out.

Submitted by lambert on

... Obama, as the presumptive nominee, was the head of the Democratic Party, so what he says, on FISA or anything else, matters, and what Hillary says matters far less. As Chris Bowers wrote (cited here):

We have a leader, and he’s not a partisan and he can now end fractious intraparty fights with a word and/or a nod. … He is also, and this is fundamental, someone that millions of people believe in as a moral force. …

I would expect Hillary, since Unity is important to her, to follow Obama's lead in his exercise of "moral force" on FISA, along with everything else, and so far as I can tell, that's exactly what she's doing.

Of course, that's just another devious move in her plan for World Domination, but that's a topic for another post.

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Corner Stone on

Not much left at this point. I'm an understander for the Damned/Damned viewpoint but shouldn't our need be bigger than Obama's at this point?

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Submitted by hobson on

Geez, maybe try to enjoy it just a little less and get on the phone to try to influence the Senate to vote against it. Dodd and Feingold say they are going to try. Jane Hamsher sent out an email saying Schumer and Clinton could be decisive and asking New Yorkers to get on the phone:

Senators Clinton and Schumer could be the deciding voices and vote on stopping retroactive immunity. Please take a minute right now to give them a call and ask them to strip the retroactive immunity provision of FISA.

You can call either by dialing the Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121,

Go ahead. Call me part of the fawning OFB. I don't understand who you think you can work with or what you hope to achieve if everyone is in the tank.

Here is another link with contact info:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/23/fisa-t...

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Submitted by vastleft on

We've definitely had too much enjoyment.

The loss of the blogosphere's media critique was fun, as were the misogyny and the personal threats. Same for the trashing of the only Democratic presidency younger voters have ever seen and the cry-wolf trivializing of actual racism. And what a hoot it was to erase the national lessons learned at the cost of a million dead Iraqis and thousands of dead Americans.

Anyway, it's a good suggestion. I will call Hillary's office and ask that she vote against the bill.

Meanwhile, bloggers and pundits can gin up outrage at her for upstaging Obama. If I had to guess, I'd say she won't. But she's surprised me before.