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If only Senator Clinton had done more of this and sooner...

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

I mean, CNN gave that thing four whole minutes. And every single second of it was effective.

Hillary has set the agenda for the debate on the 26th -- and I strongly suspect that she's doing this because her internal polling says that she kicked Obama's ass on the health care issue at the last debate.

I also think that she's going to use the NAFTA issue to go after Obama on a whole bunch of other stuff. His defense for the mailing is gonna be "This is what you said", and her response is gonna be "We both know that I said a lot more than that, and that you are deliberately taking my remarks out of context, and I'm sick of it. Your campaign did it with the race issue in South Carolina... when Bill Gray, the esteemed former congressman and long-time head of the United Negro College Fund pointed out that there was nothing objectionable or racist about my remarks about Dr. Martin Luther King, your campaign was asked about it. Their response 'No comment, but people have the right to make up their own minds.' The very next day, your campaign set out an email implying that I was running a "subconscious" campaign supposedly aimed at pointing out to people that you are black. That's not only an insult to my integrity, its an insult to my intelligence -- do you really think there are people who haven't noticed that I'm a woman, and you're an African American? Do you really think that I'd be stupid enough to bad-mouth Dr. Martin Luther King ever, let alone right before the South Carolina primary where half the Democratic electorate is African - American? How DARE you allow your campaign to imply that my husband and I are racists? You waited for days while this was all the media was talking about before finally admitting that there was nothing objectionable in what I or my husband had said. I've tried my best to focus my campaign on the issues of concern to American families, and I'm constantly faced with a barrage of this kind of thing -- and I've still tried to focus on those issues. But you know what Senator, your free ride is over, and you've got a choice --- either stop these kinds of false mailings and start running the kind of campaign you claim to be running, or deal with the consequences."

I mean, how great would that be?

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Submitted by CognitiveDissonance on

Paul, I would love to see her make that kind of comment. Maybe you should email it to her campaign.

This video really got me fired up big time. I've been waiting for her to point out the blatant hypocrisy of his campaign for a long time. But it seems in the past she has been damned if she did, damned if she didn't. Anything she said that was negative didn't go over well, and was sometimes seen as racist.

But I think the health care issue is a whole different ball of wax. I would love to see her going into that debate and holding up that mailer for everyone to see, and ripping that extra hole she just ripped in him today even bigger! I'm sick to death of this Elmer Gantry getting a pass. I'm sick to death of the media fawning all over him. If I ever needed a way to figure out who NOT to vote for it would be watching Tweety having orgasms over Obama.

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Submitted by Davidson on

Whatever she does, she can't win. Mind you, she's forced to do the job of the press against a (media-backed) Messiah in a rather misogynistic society; that's a triple whamee. If she holds her punches, his smears go unchallenged and work. If she criticizes him--no matter how legitimately--she'll be attacked strongly, if not hysterically, by the corporate media and from so-called liberals on talk radio and online blogs. So I doubt that it would've helped her if she had done it earlier. Remember, she had Bill help her punch back earlier and look what happened.

Oh, and seeing that clip of her going all Ann Richards on Obama has put a big ol' grin on my face. I love that she's pissed!

I honestly can't see her winning the nomination, but I'm finally seeing that she would've been a president to be confident in: progressive domestic policies, obvious competence, and fight (against the right). What a shame she won't win. She's head and shoulders above Obama.

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Submitted by sane unaffiliat... on

Her husband signed the damn thing into law! It is part of the Clinton legacy! All through the 90's she bragged about that fucking trade agreement! It does not surprise me. Then she links Obama with lobbyists. That same group that has overwhelmedly supporting her over Obama! This woman has a hell of a lot more ties to lobbyists then Barack Obama. This was definitely vomit bag material. Hard to even find any evidence of truth in anything she said. These people's morals are no better then the Bush administration. Here is the truth about NAFTA!

Submitted by lambert on

Excellent job bypassing the central point of the video, which is that Obama is systemically lying on universal health care -- and that his dirty brochures are very, very different from his vacuous speeches!

I love the Obama _______ ers, because they are so predictable. It's re-assuring.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by janittdott on


I feel quite fortunate now in that I'm a playwright
and I STARTED my posting life online on the fansites of an actor
who I sincerely wanted to write for.

I was chased off of FIVE of his boards by a maniacal illuminatti there
who closely resemble the Minions of Obama.
They actually left FOUR of those posting boards in flaming ruins.
JUST to get rid poster!

Which is what Barack is doing to the Democratic Party
JUST to get rid of Hill & Bill!

As I was being stalked, I felt sort of like butch and sundance...
(who ARE those guys!!)

But, in the end, there is NOTHING an obamafan can level at me now
that I don't have a strategy for.

Obamacrats neither impress nor intimidate me.

But it IS a very sad statement on our electoral process
that Obama is willing to reduce this primary
to a...flamewar.


"You need a mother VERY badly!"

-wendy to captain hook


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Submitted by Davidson on

Hard to even find any evidence of truth in anything she said. These people’s morals are no better then the Bush administration. [emphasis mine]


Regarding why HRC didn't hit back earlier: Did anyone see the media coverage of her rebuttal? Typical. If she had a chance of winning TX and OH before this, I certainly don't see if after the "Hillary's hysterical and a goddamn liar!" narrative sets in, facts be damned.

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Submitted by Linda on

Please don't bring the Huffington Post in here. Now I have to open the windows to let the stink out.

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Submitted by Sima on

as I was watching that video. BAM! You go, Hillary, sock it to 'em. POW, hit 'em again on health care. YES! Wave that stupid mailer around.

As for the NAFTA thing above, her point was that she didn't say what the flyer alleges. That it was wrong and the paper who published it retracted it. That she and the paper have asked for that to be acknowledged and it's not.

So basically, Obama's campaign is LYING about what she said and using a paper that made a mistake as cover for the lie. Just like his campaign lies about his pisspoor health care proposal compared to her much better proposal.

I had a dream last night that after McCain won in 2008, Clinton and Edwards went on to win in 2012. Obama was nowhere to be seen, a one shot loser who lost all his hot air and couldn't find any more lift. I dreamed I was helping young people learn how to work on farms in a sort of work project like FDR set up, but this one advanced by Edwards and Clinton. It was GREAT. We were growing food and sending it to the inner cities to give the poor a chance at good food. But just a dream, *sigh*.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

"thank you for commenting" post...

in the meantime, I'll just point out that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are actually two different people, and that one of the roles of First Lady is to agree with the President in public regardless of her private opinions...

Sirota does nothing but quote from Clinton when she was First Lady -- three years after NAFTA passed, and its deficiencies were not nearly as obvious as they are now. Except when he quotes from her memoirs, in which she describes Dole as not wanting to give Clinton any more "legislative vicories like...NAFTA".

Here's a clue. Saying someone had a "legislative victory" is not an endorsement of the legislation in question. Bush has had lots of "legislative victories"... and they were overwhelmingly bad ideas.

Submitted by lambert on

I mean, somebody slapped that down, right? In the interests of having a conversation, and all...

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Charles Lemos on

Well that's enough to get me to write another cheque. I love it! I want to see more of that.

I am tired of a guy who pretends to be a Democrat and acts like a Republican. I am tired of seeing a party that Edwards pulled to the left now be dragged to the center by Obama. If I am going to lose in November then I prefer to lose with one of mine and someone who is more one of theirs.

Forget about the country. This is now a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. It is our hopes and dreams that are on the line. Watching that gave me an energy that I had not had since Edwards left the race. I've been lukewarm on Clinton but that got me going like nothing else. Bravo!

Shame on you Barack Obama. Shame.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

this represents a major tactical error on the part of the Obama campaign -- and I think it was a deliberate provocation.

Clinton has shown that she's not very adept at attacking while appearing not to attack (see plagarism), but what she has learned over the last 15 years is how to counter-attack.

And the Obama campaign has handed her the ideal opporunity for her to do what she knows how to do...

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Submitted by sane unaffiliat... on

Here is an excerpt from her book on page 217. I am sure all you Hilary fans have the book to check it out for yourself. I guess the ghost writer is also not telling the truth. SHAME!

By the way, here is a quote from her ghostwritten autobiography “Living History,” page 217:

Creating a free trade zone in North America?the largest free trade zone in the world?would expand U.S. exports, create jobs and ensure that our economy was reaping the benefits, not the burdens, of globalization. Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal.

The question was whether the White House could focus its energies on two legislative campaigns at once. I argued that we could and that postponing health care would further weaken its chances. But it was Bill’s decision, and because NAFTA faced a legislative deadline, he concluded that it had to be addressed first.

So it would seem that yes, Mrs. Clinton was very much in favor of NAFTA.

That is, before the polls and focus groups told her she should be against it.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

In 1993 Hillary Clinton thought NAFTA was a good idea!

And in 1993, Obama was doing what? Oh yeah, joining a law firm. What was his position on NAFTA back then?