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Ferguson open thread

Looks like somebody told Obama the score.

One more grand jury leak for the powers that be.

Classy.

More hysteria. Cancelling airline flights?

NOTE I'm collecting especially assholery tweets for later. Feel free to leave any you see in comments.

UPDATE This is so obvious I never thought of it:

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Submitted by quixote on

What's up with this "We have Decided. But we're not Saying" bullshit?

I really don't get it. What are they trying to achieve? They're hoping people will get bored waiting and say, oh the hell with it let's just go home and watch teevee" ?? Do they not understand at all that people are angry?

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Submitted by Barmitt O'Bamney on

Presumably, the delay was to let the police forces involved roll out whatever final deployment that they had planned for the GJ result of no criminal charges.

Submitted by lambert on

As I wrote in another place:

"Burn this shit down” comes from Mike Brown’s step-father, and not exactly what the Brown family had called for. So, from this armchair, oopsie.

But it looks to me like if that hadn’t been the spark, there would have been some other spark:

The time-line is awfully sketchy:

1) The night-time announcement, for no reason I have even seen explained;

2) The prime time night-time announcement, almost guaranteeing the split-screen images that actually did happen during Obama’s speech;

3) The National Guard wasn’t used to protect Ferguson property, as one would expect;

4) If you listened to the anchors (as I unfortunately had to, in the run-up to McCullough’s announcement) they were salivating for violence. They were so ready for it. Just like the whole bizarre episodes in Ukraine and Syraqistan over the summer; they were determined to have their war.

5) Check out the map. Overwhelming military force, and they can’t protect a Walgreens? WTF? Not only that, the burning is concentrated, it’s not spread along either corridor.

The whole thing feels like stacking up the tinder, to me. Very, very ugly.

UPDATE Here’s one more.

6) Al Sharpton was Obama’s Johnny-on-the-spot in Ferguson:

“I’ve known Al since he was 12 years old, and he’s arrived at the level he always wanted to arrive at, which is gratifying,” the Rev. Jesse Jackson, a colleague and sometimes rival, told me. “He’s the man who’s the liaison to the White House, he’s the one who’s talking to the Justice Department.”

So it was good to see Sharpton out there calming the crowd last night. Oh, wait… (And you can be sure that if Obama had wanted him to be there, he would have been.)

I think they would have had the plans already formulated....

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Submitted by Barmitt O'Bamney on

So the answer is in and it's "no indictment." What hasn't been announced yet is why not?
I know everyone has their own answer as to why not, but I think we'd all like to hear something official about that.

I haven't been following this closely, and have no set opinion.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

unbelievably sad. even though I saw it coming, it hit me hard. can't describe how sad I feel. There will be a demonstration tomorrow night in DC, I will be there.

The only thing Obama could have done is bring civil rights charges against Wilson. He wouldn't even do that. Obama and Holder are completely useless.

I feel so rotten right now, can't speak.

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Submitted by quixote on

Yeah. B0 has really been a BigZero on this. I was thinking about civil rights charges, too.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't indict. I know I should be more cynical than that, but, well, consider just what's known from news reports. In any universe, it's enough to make it worth examining in court. Which is what indictments are supposed to be about. Just boggling.

Apparently 9 whites, 3 blacks on the grand jury, and they needed 9 for a decision. If it turns out that decision was racially split, 9-3, I'm going to start calling myself Asian or something. (Hey, I'm part Russian, which means there's some Mongolian in there somewhere.)

Aargh. Aaaaaaaaaargh.

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Submitted by Notorious P.A.T. on

Drone Master B has no moral high ground here. He goes arond killing people because they might be up to something on a world stage. Makes the Ferguson police look like amateurs.

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Submitted by blues on

This is what I wrote at Portland Indymedia:

Ferguson Grand Jury Verdict: No Indictment; Shots Fired, Police Car Destroyed

I don't protest much nomore. Kinda old. Will protest tomorrow in my little town. (Note: There are websites out there pretending to be "liberal", but which are racist and classist.)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-24/ferguson-grand-jury-decision-li...

Darren Wilson, wearing a blue "police" suit, presumably a Freemason Blue Lodge member, murdered the unarmed man Michael Brown who had his hands raised. Only because Brown had dark skin. No other real reason.

You MK-Ultras did your job real good finding the sociopaths to hire in the police departments by testing for who would gang stalk completely innocent people.

America is now 1984.

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Let me add, I have always considered myself to be a genuine conspiracy theorist. Did this make me a hipster bearing within my bosom a cryptic, wisdomful Pearl of Great Price? Turns out it didn't! A new scientific study seems to imply that just over two out of three people are actually conspiracy theorists!:

Scientific study reveals conspiracy theorists the most sane of all
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/11/22/scientific-study-reveals-cons...

Perhaps the deepest conspiracy of all: "Pluralistic ignorance is a situation in which a majority of group members privately reject a norm, but incorrectly assume that most others accept it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance

Submitted by lambert on

.... you might think differently. Which is why I'm sort of astonished that the study is about Internet comment threads....

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Submitted by blues on

The big problem is that any jerk can simply hang out a "Conspiracy Theorist Practitioner" shingle and imagine themselves to be in the business. 95% of them are utterly incompetent. Perhaps this is why academics shun them. However this is most short-sighted. Conspiracy Science is one of the very last remaining growth industries, and there are bloggers out there making a fortune with it.

If colleges had the common sense to start Conspiracy Science departments, they could raise the quality of the product immeasurably and create fantastic career paths, while raking in vast amounts of student loan money that would actually get repaid.

Submitted by lambert on

if I wanted to make Real Money, I guess that's what I should have gone into.

I could go on for hours about dealing with this crap, but I don't want to drag off topic.

Adding, speaking as a moderator who's processed disempowering crapfests of CT by the ton, the most typical move is "Look at this YouTube!" Because the truth, although obvious, is always offstage, always somewhere else....

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Submitted by blues on

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they screw you.

The. Real. World. Is. Not. What. It. Seems.

An old wicked con artist friend once told me:
"You have seen something you were not supposed to see."

No shit.

Have a sense of humor, or a scent of cyanide (smells like almonds).

The world moves on...

Submitted by lambert on

The substitution "Look at this YouTube" for actual explanation is a truther's signature rhetorical move.

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Submitted by nomad2 on

95% of them are utterly incompetent

Just like 95 % of non-conspiracy theorists.
Labeling someone a conspiracy theorist is a way of curtailing dissent.

Submitted by lambert on

It's a way of cleaning up the threads so hairball-bearing wankers don't hijack every topic imaginable with stuff they can never explain (which is why "Just read this!" is their signature move).

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Submitted by nomad2 on

It's a way of cleaning up the threads AND curtailing dissent. I've seen it in action.

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Submitted by nomad2 on

I should say "maybe". I'm not exactly sure how labeling people as conspiracy theorists.helps, but if that's what you got to do well...
Talk about cheap shots...

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Submitted by nomad2 on

Ghandi. Proof that even racists can make positive contributions to society.

Submitted by lambert on

Lincoln and the "founding Fathers."

Oh, wait. You meant that as a cheap shot? Sorry.

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Submitted by Barmitt O'Bamney on

Shouldn't that be two empty chairs, and the officer?

I just wanted to add: this is the quietest open thread ever.

Submitted by lambert on

... because I bet people assume the site is down, after all the problems.

But also, with DCBlogger, it's a little disheartening.

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Submitted by metamars on

Off Topic Alert:

Common Core Charter School Craziness!
Using Turkish Islamic teachers just the tip of the iceberg in charter irregularities!

At least 474 foreign teachers, again mostly from Turkey, have arrived at Concept’s Ohio schools between 2005 and 2013. The schools are collecting about $45 million in state funds annually to educate 6,600 children in kindergarten through high school....
The Ohio Department of Education is weighing complaints from former Concept staffers that unlicensed, foreign teachers were used.
Ohio teachers, meanwhile, say plenty of qualified teachers are available for jobs being filled by the foreigners, especially since about 40,000 are still without teaching jobs because of the recession. [bold and red in original]