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FDL Update: Entries Restored, Comments Still Disappeared

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My last entry at FDL, which is the last because I've been banned, has been restored to visibility. As I pointed out in my previous entry, my account and diaries were flagged as spam and hidden from view.

FDL moderator RBG's comment at the bottom of the entry suggests that he (or she; I don't know RBG's gender) was the one who banned me, but in truth, the decision to remove me could have been that of any one or all of the FDL moderating team.

FDL's methodology in banning people was explained by Sebastos:

Deviousness of Firedoglake banning and blocking practices

I agree entirely, Rusty, about the sneakiness of banning without leaving any record. The same applies to this practice of temporarily blocking all of a banned user's diaries by marking them as spam, then restoring access after several days. It sends a powerful message to banned users that they're allowed on Firedoglake on sufferance, and that anything they write that offends the moderators can be removed at any time. Yet a casual visitor to the site notices nothing amiss, and even if informed that the diaries had been temporarily taken down, may not grasp the significance, and may even think the banned user is overreacting. It all serves to give an impression of greater openness than is actually the case.

The problem with gatekeeper blogs like FDL and Daily Kos is not only that they are overtly hostile to the left, but that they love to employ police state-style censorship to enforce their official policy of never actually challenging the right-wing Democrat Party. Sure, we're allowed to complain, so long as we dare do no more than that. But step over a pre-drawn line, and one is gone.

Below the fold is the full text of my last entry from FDL.

My previous two entries went on at length about the immorality inherent in continuing to support amoral politicians, particularly Obama and the Democrats, who implement immoral policies. Both entries, which followed up on Rusty’s post shortly before he was banned for it, made certain site leaders very upset. That’s because they are moral relativists who see nothing wrong with what right-wing government does, only in who is doing the things it does. Things that were wrong when Bush, Cheney, and the Republicans did them are now perfectly acceptable now that it’s Democrats doing the exact same things — or worse.

Be it in our everyday lives or in politics, we render moral judgments all the time. Especially in politics, those who win elections — whether legitimately or through theft — do so largely on the basis of having a clearly stated and well defined platform of issues, which are based on a set of moral beliefs. Those beliefs may be right or wrong, honest or dishonest, but they are based on moral beliefs nonetheless.

But what exactly is morality? Different cultures have different notions of what is right and wrong, so we’re told, and we must respect those notions even if we disagree with them. I will certainly grant you, dear reader, that fundamental truth. But even taking this into account, when studying notions of right and wrong across cultures, one typically finds common elements: Don’t lie, don’t steal, don’t cheat, don’t rape, don’t murder, and so forth. Each culture has its own method for dealing with people who violate these basic tenants of right and wrong, and we call them laws. The application of those laws can be consistent or inconsistent, but they do exist, and they have their basis in basic moral beliefs.

Likewise, in politics, positions on issues that affect real people in the real world are based on a set of moral beliefs. One can argue the complexity of those beliefs, but one cannot honestly argue against their existence. Again, this makes certain persons uncomfortable to the point of anger, and they lash out as though personally wounded. it is considered taboo to question a person’s stated political beliefs even when he or she publicly shows clear inconsistencies between what is said and what is actually done. We are, as liberals or progressives or socialists, told to keep an open mind, to not judge others. Moral absolutism is bad, or so we’re told.

Why it’s bad is rarely explained, if ever. The truth is that we’re told not to judge because if we were to judge others on the contrast between their words and actions, we would realize the futility of continuing to associate ourselves with those persons. When one is running a political gatekeeper blog designed to thwart left-wing activism independent of the Demcorats, such as FDL and Daily Kos, this has certain frightening implications for those site owners. If we realize we’re being taken for a ride, we might stop giving our hard-earned pennies to keep the gatekeepers in business.

But that’s an entry for another day. Here I want to point out the flaw in demanding that no moral judgment be made regarding support of Barry Obama. As I’ve said, we’re told it’s not polite to force others to take a moral stand. So here’s an experiment. I’ll pick a political hot-button issue. Let’s make it abortion. You may be for or against its continued legality. On what do you base your position?

You might base it on religious beliefs.

You might base it on considerations of access to adequate prenatal care.

You might base it on economic factors.

You might base it on social factors, such as the disproportionate number of impoverished people having the procedure.

You might base it on the lack, real or perceived, of an adequate foster care and home-placement system in America.

There are other factors, I’m sure, but let’s say that based on these and other considerations, you’ve made a decision as to whether or not to support legal abortion.

Congratulations: You’ve taken a moral stand.

No no no, you do NOT get to roll back on it, not simply because you’re averse to having a moral code ascribed to you. People can and do change their minds based on changing attitudes and new information. It’s normal, done all the time, nothing wrong with that. It’s why Dennis Kucinich went from being initially opposed to legal abortion to being in favor of it. He seems to have had a genuine change of heart on the issue. What he didn’t do was change his position simply because he was afraid of having someone accuse him of basing his beliefs on a set of morals.

So what’s the big deal about saying that it is immoral to support Obama and the Democrats after all they’ve done to betray Americans’ interests over the last thirty-odd years? Why is it so horrendously wrong to chastise those who continually complain about Obama, yet are not only unwilling to challenge him but actively defend him from those of us who would see him challenged in a primary election next year?

Politics is all about morality. Each of us has his or her own definition of what is right and what is wrong, but we all share common basic beliefs instilled in us by the societies in which we dwell. When we fail to live up to our stated morals, we weaken our own movement, and in the process hand our enemies a crucial victory.

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Submitted by lambert on

I ban on the basis of discourse and how points are made, as whether my own investment of time as a moderator is worth it; the nice way to put that is that I "curate." Gardens need weeding, communities need banning. There are places that don't work like that, but that's how this place works.

That said, posts and comments, except in a small (under 20 in the life of the blog; "hate fuck" being one example) will remain.

Submitted by Hugh on

we can always do more for mankind by following the good in a straight line than we can by making concessions to evil. The illusion that it is wise or necessary to suppress our instinctive love of truth comes from an imperfect understanding of what that instinctive love of truth represents, and of what damage happens both to ourselves and to others when we suppress it. The more closely we look at the facts, the more serious does this damage appear. And on the other hand, the more closely we look at the facts, the more trifling, inconsequent, and absurd do all those reasons appear which strive to make us accept, and thereby sanctify and preserve, some portion of the conceded evil in the world.

From the Preface to John Jay Chapman's Practical Agitation

IT is the ambition of the agitator to use the machinery of government to make men more unselfish. In so far as he succeeds in this, he is creating a living church, the only sort of State church that would be entirely at one with our system, because it would be merely a representation in the formal government of a spirit abroad among the people.

First paragraph of John Jay Chapman's Practical Agitation

Chapman wrote this in 1900. A commenter at FDL first brought Chapman to the attention of the net. He enjoyed a certain vogue at FDL. It is a pity that so few of the frontpagers there remember him. For Chapman agitation and reform are intensely moral in nature.

Chapman also noted that reform doesn't spring fully formed and thought out into the world. It comes in waves, and the earlier waves often look to be part of the problem to the later ones.

How gradual has been the process of emancipation from intellectual bondage! How inevitably people are limited by the terms in which they think! A generation of men has been consumed by the shibboleth "reform within the party," —a generation of educated and right-minded men, who accomplished in their day much good, and left the country better than they found it, but are floating to-day like hulks in the trough of the sea of politics, because all their mind and all their energy were exhausted in discovering certain superficial evils and in fighting them. Their analysis of political elements left the deeper causes mysterious. They did not see mere human nature. They still treated Republicanism and Democracy—empty superstitions—as ideas, and they handled with reverence the bones of bogus saints, and the whole apparatus of clap-trap by which they had been governed.

And yet it is owing to the activity of these men that the deeper political conditions became visible. Men cannot transcend their own analysis and see themselves under the microscope. The work we do transforms us into social factors. We are a part of the changes we bring in. Before we know it, we ourselves are the problem.

pp. 8-9

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Submitted by Cujo359 on

RBG is a "he".

I get somewhat annoyed at FDL's moderation policy, which remind me of the old hockey truism that it's usually the guy who retaliates who gets sent to the penalty box. It's particularly annoying because, in contrast to what happens in a hockey game, it's possible to review what everyone has written.

Even so, no moderation effort at such a big site is going to be pleasing to everyone all the time. It's not even in the top three reasons why I seldom visit or contribute there anymore, so other than that it seems to lose them some of their more interesting and diverse contributors, I'd say I can live with it.

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