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Since everybody reads Atrios and nobody hates him...

... perhaps this will get some attention:

From the few tea leaves I get to see, I'm getting the sense that people on The Hill are not even having the conversation about just how unpopular forcing people to buy shitty insurance they don't want is going to be.

Hilariously, Atrios links to the HCAN public relations wire paid shill Jason Rosenbaum runs over at FDL.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

if you really bought the single payer is unrealistic, but we can get a public option, then what they are doing makes sense. And hey, I would be THRILLED if a staffer from any of the single payer groups would post on Corrente, so I don't begrudge FDL their HCAN't poster.

Submitted by hipparchia on

was jason's blog before he and jane merged enterprises.

Submitted by hipparchia on

yes, that one did get folded into the seminal. and yes, i'm ticked that hcan sucked all the brains out of the a-list bloggerz. and yes, i'm ticked that the a-list bloggerz seem to have bought the hcan line without even putting some effort into learning anything at all about health policy. along came somebody with a well-funded bandwagong and they all jumped on it.

i've long wondered what richard kirsch is going to get out of all this.

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Submitted by dblhelix on

with anyone on the limited enrollment (5%) bandwagon.

Today's meme is pimping savings via Medicare rates. Well, Obama did say that the "public option" had to pay for itself so I guess this might help, if doctors agree to take public option patients.

if you really bought the single payer is unrealistic, but we can get a public option

See, the elephant in the room, the 'only open to the uninsured,' is the great unmentionable, so ...

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Submitted by Jeff W on

the other night. She had on Sen. Ron Wyden [D-OR] pushing his "Free Choice Act" (about which I don't know enough to have an opinion) and they mentioned the unmentionable [emphasis added]:

WYDEN:…Look, all over America people are carrying these signs, public option, public option or bust. They‘re wonderful activists, but a lot of folks haven‘t been told that the Congressional Budget Office says only about 12 million people in America would actually get to choose the public option. They are likely to be sicker. They‘re likely to be folks who haven‘t had good preventive health care services.

To really put the consumer in the driver‘s seat, to give the consumer clout, to turn the tables on the insurance lobby, you‘ve got to have a really big group. That‘s what I‘m pushing for, and free choice is very compatible with the public option.

MADDOW: So the idea is that anybody should be able to get into the health exchange? It shouldn‘t be that if you already have insurance through your employer, that locks you out of the health exchange? That anybody can be able to join, that creates competition, so that not only do we have a choice for people to get insured who can‘t afford insurance today, but people can also hopefully improve on the insurance they have through competition and that sort of an exchange, is that the overall idea?

And, then, going for broke, Rachel hit on the consequences for the Democrats:

MADDOW: In terms of thinking about what‘s ultimately going to happen and how this is going to work for most Americans, when you guys are having these negotiations, particularly among Democrats, is there an awareness that if the end result of this bill is that coverage stays as lousy and expensive as it is today, the Democrats have changed the law so that we‘re all forced to buy that lousy and expensive coverage, that this will be a huge political disaster? Has that—I‘m worried politically that, that‘s going to happen and sink the Democratic Party for generations, but I‘m also worried that‘s going to be what happens to me personally in terms of my health insurance.

WYDEN: Rachel, you‘re being logical, and sometimes, logic doesn‘t break into these political debates…

I was surprised, really, as Rachel struck me as rather clueless or at least disengaged on the health care front. (Well, she might still be clueless, bringing up logic and all.)

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Submitted by Jeff W on

it's really hard to make a case that forcing people to buy expensive, lousy insurance will be, as lambert says, a sure-fire political winner.

Rachel's definitely intelligent but I'd hate to take that observation as a prime example of it.

The amazing thing is not that she said it but that almost no one else has. It's a complete no-brainer, really.

(Well, she does get credit for saying something no one else has said, to be fair.)

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Submitted by dblhelix on

for the transcript, Jeff.