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End game in Thailand

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The Army moves in. Live blog from Bangkok Pundit.

Reuters live blog.

Sad, sad, sad. No Ghandis here.

NOTE I should say that I'm also for NV because I think, politically, it would have been a massive win. That makes this even sadder.

UPDATE Here was the tell that this time was serious: The food vendors left the Red Shirt encampment

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Dan the Man's picture
Submitted by Dan the Man on

on youtube. Absolutely hysterical.

Here's basically the lowdown of the interview.

Interviewer: Is Thaksin funding the Red Shirters?
Lawyer: Irrelevent. These people have been treated horribly. People don't take bullets based on who's funding them.
Interviewer: But isn't neither side innocent?
Lawyer: Irrelevent. One side is the government. The other side isn't. So of course the government is guilty.
Interviewer: Didn't the government offer them elections? Couldn't the Red Shirters have accepted the offer?
Lawyer: But the Red Shirters weren't convinced of the offer.
Interviewer: But weren't some of the Red Shirters convinced of the offer? Half of the leaders wanted to accept it but the die-hard faction wanted to fight on, right?
Lawyer: That's an unfair opinion. I was there. There was an absence of trust.

Funniest interview I've seen recently.

Submitted by lambert on

What's so funny about it? You don't feel the absence of trust was warranted?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

MsExPat's picture
Submitted by MsExPat on

is a real piece of work.

He is/was also the point man for:

Mikhail Borisovich Khodorkovsky (Russian: born June 26, 1963 in Moscow) ...Russian enterpreneur, businessman, philanthropist, and criminal.

Birds of a feather, etc.

Ian Welsh's picture
Submitted by Ian Welsh on

that's the end of the beginning. The morons in charge of Thailand are going to get the rural insurgency they're begging for.

Submitted by lambert on

What is it? The elites just like to kill people? For whom is a rural insurgency the positive outcome? The Army?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by MsExPat on

he benefits.

And there are other players who benefit. My friend Song explained to me how her rural part of the Northeast works: it's run by strongmen. If you want something--like a place for your kid in school, or a local civil service job, or maybe you just want your business to be "left alone", you have to pay these guys or their agents. It's a brutal, low tech form of our "rent".

These guys have gangster enforcers. Song told me that she knows of fields full of corpses put there by her local strongman's flunkies.

The strongmen don't like the Bangkok elites. Anything that de-stabilizes the central government is great for them.

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Submitted by MsExPat on

The Thai government did one big thing that is reprehensible and unforgivable: they sent army snipers out to shoot civilians in the head as their first line of attack.

But there's blood all over the Red Shirts side as well.

Especially on Thaksin, who is the true puppetmaster running the militant "Black Shirts" (and the motorcycle taxi mafia who entered the fray in the last few days) and who is behind the scenes sabotaging every attempt to bring the sides together for negotiation.

If there is an armed insurgency, it will be because Thaksin did everything he could to make sure this spun this out of control into violence--from backing Seh Daeng and his black shirt army, to playing the different Red Shirt factions off each other so that they could not come together to make a deal with the government.

See the WSJ report:

Maj. Gen. Khattiya and many of his followers have been operating independently of the main protest leaders, who include lawmaker Jatuporn Prompan and activists Nattawut Saikua and Weng Tojirakarn.

Maj. Gen. Khattiya, in particular, had his own lines of communication to Mr. Thaksin, who now lives in Dubai in self-imposed exile to avoid imprisonment on a 2008 corruption conviction.

Before he died, Maj. Gen. Khattiya said in an interview that his goal was to turn the Red Shirt protests into a full-blown revolt against the Thai state.

People involved in negotiations to end the protests say Mr. Thaksin had encouraged more militant Red Shirt leaders to continually add fresh demands, effectively delaying talks and a final agreement after Prime Minister Abhisit offered to hold a new election on Nov. 14.

Thaksin is a thug, and for him this is all personal. He wants to see Thailand go down in flames.