Don’t Turn Your Back on Hillary Clinton or How Ray McGovern Evoked Hypocrisy in Real Time
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71-year old peace advocate Ray McGovern, wearing a Veterans for Peace T-shirt, stood in the audience with his back toward Hillary Clinton as she gave a speech at Washington University on February 15th. McGovern’s stance, what he calls “silent witness”, was a protest of Mrs. Clinton’s support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It was not long before McGovern was assaulted and dragged out of the audience by two security men. “So this is America!” McGovern declared. “This is America!”
Mrs. Clinton may not have missed a beat in her speech but apparently missed the enormous irony of the moment. She was speaking in praise of the nobility and effectiveness of peaceful protest and the wrongness of aggressive governmental repression in the Middle East, all while Mr. McGovern was being roughed up before her and the audience’s eyes.
Mr. McGovern as quoted by Rob Kall:
"When Clinton started talking about how people beat up and arrested people in Iran, it gave some poetic justice, a great irony, to my standing there and what happened to me then, when she's talking about what happened in other countries and there I am being handled in a vicious way...God knows what would happen next. ..."
[snip]
"They grabbed me and the shock wore off. There was a real struggle. I shouted, 'This is America.' Then I said, 'Who are you?' This is a mystery to me. Who were they? The guy in the suit was the one who did the damage. He was brutal."
"They took me outside, put two sets of iron handcuffs that pierced my wrists. The bleeding went all over my pants. One guy said, "I pricked my finger" like it was his blood."
"I was bleeding in the car so I said 'I think you need to put some gauze on me.' They handed me to the DC police and they told I was being charged with disorderly conduct. I was booked, fingerprinted, mug shot taken. They put me in a little cell -- must be the same size as Bradley Manning's-- about six by four feet."
"It was about three hours that they held me until they let me out. I had to take a cab to the hospital where they x-rayed me, treated me and dressed my wounds. Then the doctors told me that since this was an assault on me, I had to inform the police about who had assaulted me. A little humor helped then."
Ray McGovern is a person of conscience who clearly has been walking the walk as well as talking the talk for peace for a long time. His 27-year experience in the CIA gives him a special savvy to the scope of horror of our military industrial security complex.
Ray McGovern’s issues with Clinton as quoted by Robert Parry:
"Hillary is the driving force, together with a few others, behind the war in Afghanistan. She's one of the big hawks in Iran. When I look at her and her husband that they don't know the first thing about war. I do and so do my fellow Veterans for Peace.
“I have to make clear that we Veterans for Peace think that her policies are an abomination to the nation, that they are at cross purposes to the country and not everybody should applaud and give her the idea that she's doing the right thing."
[snip]
"When people die because we have hypocrites at the top of our government, that compels me to make a statement in whatever way I can. It was not the theme of her speech that I was protesting. It was her war policies.”
The United States has trampled on the legitimate civil rights of its citizens of conscience protesting these wars (including with its high-tech spying) by justifying itself under the “the war on terror” cause Robert Parry asserts. That handy dandy catch-all for institutionalized evil, for the erosion of the bill of rights.
But US hypocritical, repressive behavior didn’t start there. Parry:
Over prior decades – indeed centuries – the U.S. government routinely has trampled on the rights of people in America and around the world, often crushing popular uprisings with the most brutal force.
Just last week, the United States wallowed in maudlin celebrations of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, which included sending weapons and money to help slaughter peasants, students and workers in Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua.
[See Consortiumnews.com’s “Ronald Reagan, Enabler of Atrocities.”]
Yet, Clinton whitewashed this bloody history as if the U.S. government has always been the great defender of people power resisting injustice.
“It is our values that cause these actions [in places like Egypt and Iran] to inspire or outrage us, our sense of human dignity, the rights that flow from it, and the principles that ground it,” Clinton said, without a word about America’s mixed record on these “values.”
Just minutes after McGovern had been dragged from the room and handcuffed, Clinton hailed the need for respecting different points of view and giving them space for their expression.
America’s people of conscience and ripening people of conscience need to fasten their seatbelts. The hypocrites at the top, slick-talking Secretary of State Clinton, President Obama, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, et al., talk the talk of freedom to polite applause while at the same time authorizing gratuitous, corporate-profiteering violence. They deserve all our backs in protest. These power players seem determined to provide those willing and ready to walk the walk of peace advocacy a brutal and bumpy, anti-free speech, anti-democracy ride.
I would like to see how McGovern's case evolves. What happens if you press charges against an assault by a security detail of Secretary of State Clinton when they have, at the same time, pressed charges against you? Do we have Ray McGovern's back, so to speak, on this? There is a letter/petition now circulating asking Secretary Clinton to offer Mr. McGovern an apology and a release from the charges against him, as well as to revoke her anti-whistleblower stances against Bradley Manning and Julian Assange.
Worth a signoff!
It includes these statements:
“Please put actions to your words by providing Ray McGovern, a 27 year veteran of the CIA who conducted daily security briefings of Presidents Reagan and H.W.Bush , with an apology. Also, please take action to have his charges dropped, as he should not be criminally prosecuted for exercising his freedom of speech.
In addition, please take the following actions to show you are serious about freedom of speech:
1. Contact Secretary of State Gates and ask that Pfc Bradley Manning be released from his pre-trial punishment – 8 months in solitary confinement – for allegedly providing the media with information about war crimes committed in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as other crimes committed in U.S. foreign policy. Ask that the charges be dropped for this patriotic act which if true were an effort to improve U.S. foreign policy by making us live within the law and become a law-abiding nation.
2. Contact Attorney General Holder and ask that the investigation into Julian Assange and WikiLeaks be stopped. Assange, the editor in chief of WikiLeaks, is a journalist who has published many important documents in the last four years that have highlighted the abuse of nations and transnational corporations. The U.S. should not be stretching laws in order to punish a journalist exercising freedom of press and allowing Americans to know the truth of U.S. foreign policy.”

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Truth to power. Such guts Mc Govern has.
The irony meter is off the map on this incident. And Ray Mc Govern knows this. He is super smart unlike most CiA agents that I read about. (Read Tim Weiner's "Legacy of Ashes"). So he must have known that this would have produced a number of responses and that one might have been a bit violent. It would be interesting to hear whether even he was surprised at the brutality. or did he know it would be bad?
or is the point that you do what ya gotta do and damn the torpedoes.
you do what ya gotta do and
you do what ya gotta do and damn the torpedoes has always been my motto for protesting, and it would appear to be mcgovern's as well:
So he must have known that this would have produced a number of responses and that one might have been a bit violent. It would be interesting to hear whether even he was surprised at the brutality. or did he know it would be bad?
he says he was surprised at the brutality, but at the same time admits that he usually does his protesting with someone acting as lookout:
more power to him, i say, and yes, he should talk about it, loudly and repeatedly. i'm just ticked that everybody in the blogosphere seems to be blaming hillary for his arrest.
yeah, there are a lot of other things to blame Hillary for
xxx
I agree.
Ray McGovern is truly dedicated. I respect him. I kind of think that he did not expect anything as physically harsh as what happened to him. I even think that they all, Hillary (and I like her!) included, knew who it was. Ray is too high profile not to know. He was one of the people arrested at the D.C. rally in December.
"Notable participants risking arrest included Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, retired 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern, FBI whistleblower Colleen Rowley, and Pulitzer-winning former New York Times war correspondent Chris Hedges."
i don't think you are getting the big picture ...
The right of free speech, civil disobedience ...
Disorderly conduct ... to stand up with his back to her in a crowded auditorium. And then being roughed up violently, it sounds a bit like, "well, well, the joke was on him." Old Ray got more than he bargained for. As if that is acceptable security behavior. They didn't bother with the taser. Nor asking him to leave.
it is so late in the game to protest the nightmare this country has become. And even the so-called progressives watch it like it is all a reality tv show and that those out on the front lines are not fighting for something vital to us all.
So think twice, anyone, before you dare to embarrass Obama or Hillary in public by not applauding for their hypocrtical bullshit about freedom. rank apparently has its privilege.
I wonder how many correntians are gonna petition Hillary for the apology or rethinking her willful condemnation of whistleblowers.
Hillary is certainly earning every dime from her corporate, Pentagon and AIPAC daddies.
But a feminist heroine? Not to me. Not at all.
I have to respond..
Libby - I agree with you.
My point was that, even though I like Hillary, I am NOT defending her in this case. I respect Ray. Also, that I think they knew he was not just some heckler off the street. This man gave daily briefings to two Presidents. He is more like Daniel Ellsburg.
He was not protesting her particular speech that day, but what she represents of our country as SOS. This may have been one of her better speeches, but it was very ironic that, as she spoke of freedom, he was being beaten. He was not merely asked to sit down or leave and, apparently no one identified themselves to him.
Fran, sorry to over-react ...
Appreciate what you and hipp wrote re McGovern.
I get worked up about this stuff. And I feel so sold out by the pragmatic progressives who claim to be fighting the good fight or supporting the pragmatics who maintain they are fighting the good fight who minimize as well as participate in US war crimes as well as full out betrayal of American taxpayers for the oligarchy.
Harder for me to forgive the Obamas and the Hillarys than even Bush, since I wanted to believe in them and thought they had potential.
Hillary welcome to break-out on the side of integrity and honor at any time. Status quo bullshit seems to be guiding both her talk and walk.
Then you need to be able to say
whether you want liberals inside and if so, you must be able to define what they look like and how they behave. that's what I'm not seeing here - any real notion of how that would appear. To my mind, Hillary didn't hide what the US is up to with regard to McGovern. I have no idea why a corporatist would do what she did, but I know why a liberal would. She left the curtain open and didn't bat an eye.
Yeah, I get the big picture.
Both Clinton and McGovern are part of the process that hopes to right the ship as much as possible. McGovern needs someone like Clinton on the inside, toeing the line publicly, and pushing privately. Ray can't get the job that Clinton has by being Ray. But Clinton can. And Ray can stand up to her and she's not going to be miffed. She could have had him dealt with quietly and privately but she allowed it to happen publicly. Is that lost on you? The fact that she stood there serves a liberal agenda, not a conservative one.
Do you get that if a liberal is going to be inside they aren't going to look very liberal on the outside? All you have to do is look at Clinton's actual history (and not what misogynistic asswipes like Parry tell you it is) to be very clear what her values are.
As for AIPAC, she's the only person I know that told AIPAC at their dinner that diplomacy with Iran needed to be back on the table. You wanna show me another pol with the nerve to say that directly?
What makes you think, with her history, that she has buddies in the defense industry. I know a few defense contractors and they hate her with unbridled fury and think that she would decimate their business if given half a chance. I can fucking guarantee you that they don't think she's their ally. You can't imagine how angry some of them still are at the restraint Clinton showed i
Honestly, I don't get any of this. Do you really think that there is no value to having liberals inside of the admin if they can't overtly present themselves as genuine liberals (though Clinton does this far more than anyone else I know)?
This is a real question the left has to deal with if they want a shot at electing a real liberal. You have to know what a successful one that can get to the White House looks like. And until we can define that, we have no hope of that achievement.
Clinton has dedicated her life to improving the living conditions, health conditions and educational opportunities of women around the world with definable results. She ran the first genuinely competitive race for the presidency and had the boys not decided to cheat by disenfranchising voters, would have won the race. But she still knocked down innumerable barriers for the next qualified female candidate. There are no greater feminists heroes around at this time. She stands with the greats and I'm proud that I got to vote for her. Of course, unlike most Americans, I took the time to educate myself and I know what she's actually done with her life. And that's why I take this stand.
to me the tragedy is Ray M.was the ONLY one with his back turned
MM, the "war on terror" means the gloves are off when it comes to controlling any challenge of the masses. And this mantra has induced all of us, ALL OF US, to watch our bill of rights float by, stupefied with incredulity but passivity. I am not talking about you, I am talking about all of us. It is really late in the game to protest but God bless Ray McGovern for having the nerve in a huge auditorium to stand with his back to the political royalty of Hillary Clinton who has crossed long ago to the dark side. And dear God to quietly stand with his back to her ... of course extreme force and cruelty was required and of course Hillary demurely pretended it wasn't happening .. what is a pol to do, after all, respond to present reality?
McGovern's been walking the peace walk for years. Maybe he has his own ghosts from working in the belly of the beast to deal with. He is smart, yeah. He is also a cancer survivor and 71 years old, a gentle and charismatic man (I had the pleasure of meeting him last year) and could have been escorted out without Iraqi commando M.O. violence. It is showing us how our troops and police are trained to deal with citizens, demonize them and mistreat them, whether in our country or others. The violence was bound to come home to roost.
He has been trying to help Bradley Manning. Another victim of over-force of the monster killing military machine who is being tortured by solitary confinement.
So do you think that old Ray was being kinda a manipulative bad boy in all of this? Imagine embarrassing poor Hillary who has the blood of God knows how many on her hands, and the blood of God knows how many in the future. And you have to admit the irony ... in praise of peaceful protest as long as it is just a sound bite for the minute and way over there ... and US interests aren't affected by the hypocrisy. And give it to sturdy Hillary who didn't drop a syllable as McGovern was hauled out. That is the chilling part. The crazymaking hypocrisy and denial of reality of these bubble people, deadly bubble people.
I mean, as Jon Stewart says, "civility" is what is important, maybe that is where most people are coming from. And celebrity ... and Hillary is a celebrity too ... all that authority charisma. And after all, those people who embarrass themselves out on the streets protesting and getting locked up or spied on by the FBI, maybe they have it coming being so "ideological". Or maybe they deserve support by those of us whose rights they are risking so much for?
I wonder if McGovern would do a live blog?
That would be interesting. Anybody a friend of a friend?
Does anyone have McGovern's email addy?
I probably do somewhere, maybe.
Way back when, when BradBlog's Brad had a radio show, McGovern was a guest. It was at the start of the Fitz investigation. I think he'd (Fitz) had just been appointed.
I transcribed the interview- it was great. It was posted in the BradRadio part of BB- used to be findable. (Don' have time to look just now). As Hipp and others know transcription is damn hard work- I probably listened 20 times at least in the process. So, that's when McGovern came on my radar. I know I sent him the link, but can't remember more than that.
If someone has a valid email for him now, I'll take a flier and introduce (re-introduce) myself....
transcript
this one?
Yes!
I started off thinking I was going to do the whole thing myself, and initiated the project. I'm a pretty fast typist, and although I'd never transcribed anything, I thought it would be relatively quick. Cough.... it was taking me ages- I got half way through and gave an SOS, and Brad called in the troops for help, one of whom was a professional transcriber.
I have no problem with anything
Clinton said, nor what McGovern said. I'm glad there is a genuine liberal willing to take a stand on behalf of human rights on the inside of this admin. If it doesn't always look kosher, so what? Her voice is invaluable and one of the few capable of changing at all the direction of this particular ship of state.
Clinton as a hawk is just sheer misogynistic ignorance. He, like so many men on the left, can't deal with the fact that she's smarter than him, braver than him, more accomplished than him, more aware than him and more valuable to human life and progress than him. He doesn't know her history - clearly by that statement. What else can it be other than misogyny?
I'm glad she doesn't get derailed by the weenies propagating this shit.
"What else can it be...."
One of those arguments I'm cautious about.
I'll also have to think a little bit about "...more valuable to human life..." part.
I have a problem with what Clinton said
Because it doesn't match the actions of the administration she represents, nor the administration that she was, apparently, a part of when her husband was president. But i have a problem with Clinton as SoS; not because she's Clinton or she's a she but because she's a politician not a stateswoman...not a diplomat.
In any case, there appears to be a flip side of CDS where sufferers can see no wrong done by Madame Secretary...even though she's actively promoting a violent, hypocritical and imperial foreign policy.
There's no spinning that away, and the argument that she's working for good within the administration cannot be proven so there's no point in making the argument. Maybe history will vindicate the argument, but not until we can see records that are currently classified.
BTW: are you really arguing that Clinton has a better grasp on war, intelligence and foreign policy than Ray McGovern? Has she ever been in combat or just voted to send others to kill? I didn't realize she worked in intelligence, or that her foreign policy experience extended beyond first lady state visits prior to this appointment. Who knew?
Yep, must be misogyny that anyone would have the temerity to question Hillary Clinton.
There's Obama koolaid and then there's Hillary koolaid ... imho
... amazing one so easily rejected, the other one easily downed.
You honestly think Hillary is part of the solution? Wow. She's not exactly in the cheap seats in this craven administration. Hillary's drunk her own vat of koolaid. She is a gameswoman not a stateswoman. You see her as just another pragmatic having to play the amoral game to get leverage but still with honor? That bar of honor ain't very high.
Ray McGovern talking to
Ray McGovern talking to OpEdNews about the assault:
"Hillary is the driving force, together with a few others, behind the wars in Afghanistan. She's one of the big hawks in Iran. When I look at her and her husband that they don't know the first thing about war. I do and so do my fellow Veterans for Peace. I have to make clear that we Veterans for Peace think that her policies are an abomination to the nation . . .
She supported the war and Obama didn't. She is the height of hypocrisy. When people die because we have hypocrites at the top of our government, that compels me to make a statement in whatever way I can. It was not the theme of her speech that I was protesting. It was her war policies and support of Mubarak."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ray-McG...
Ray, with all due respect, seems to suffer a particularly virulent form of CDS, evidenced by an inability to distinguish between Bi and Hillary
.
And just ror the sake of argument: (this is from Larry Johnson at the right leaning but pro-Hillary NO QUARTER):
"I have learned from a knowledgeable source tied to my former employer (Department of State) that the assault on Ray was carried out by George Washington University security personnel. NO REPEAT NO DIPLOMATIC SECURITY OR SECRET SERVICE PERSONNEL WERE INVOLVED.
-And a historical note: Jim Jones served Flavor Ade not Kool Aid:
Jonestown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The poisonings in Jonestown followed the murder of five others by Temple members at a ...... Before the meeting, aides prepared a metal vat with Flavor Aid, ..
An LJ post and a dime...
... will get you a cup of coffee.
Nice
that you give him so much credence, considering the cost of coffer these days.
Seriously, is McGovern senile or just stupid? Can he not remember which candidate campaigned on widening the war in AfPak in '08? Can anyone? Hint, it was Obama not Clinton.
Being so obviously wrong about something so high profile makes McGovern's credibility suspect about it all. Have a nice day.
Can't afford coffee anymore
I actually just decided I could do without coffee and alcohol. I'm cutting back in anticipation of another round of layoffs at the school district where I work. Well at least that hypocrite Hillary didn't become President. Go Progressives!
They had limited tickets for STUDENTS
for this event. http://gwtoday.gwu.edu/aroundcampus/hill... Is Mr. McGovern a student and had a ticket to this event or was he in the auditorium without one?
I love the passion in your posts, but this only includes Mr. McGovern's story without much substantiated detail. How did he come to be in the auditorium? Is he a student of George Washington University? Did he have a ticket to this event? The Video only pans out enough to see him being pulled out of the area.
He may have been escorted out for a reason other than "turning his back quietly while standing in the aisle" if he is not a student and/or didn't have a ticket to be at this event. There is nothing about that.
I've tried to find a beter video of this, but all I see is him being hauled out of the auditorium. I also saw the pictures that show the bruises on his arms to demonstrate police brutality from this event.
I get the vibe that this whole thing was staged for publicity. Isn't it weird to come into a private event, put on a show of "free speech" and then resist leaving but later your supporters ask the speaker at the event to apologize? I really don't understand this.
More detail is always good....
... but it seems to me that if there were real issues with the ticket, or lack thereof, McGovern would have been stopped at the door.
Also, and I'm really not nitpicking here, "Limited tickets will be available to students ..." doesn't mean that all tickets were made available to students. The campus administration has been known to reserve tickets for it's own use; the bald heads I saw in the audience probably were not students. In addition, McGovern might have been given a ticket by a person who decided not to attend.
Point taken
It does *seem* like that - but it also *seems* like just standing with your back to a speaker wouldn't get you dragged out of an auditorium.
I think McGovern's story relies on believing a certain narrative to be true. There just isn't meaty evidence for me to decide to hold Hillary Clinton accountable for what happened to McGovern. I'm also having a hard time seeing this as a 1st amendment issue.
OK -
I did find this little bit in the (Daily) Mail On Line http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
They attempt to include both "sides" of this story - with the statement from the university at the end of the article even though the headline is about the man being "dragged from the speech".
jjm, link broken?
the Daily Mail link goes to a generic page. This is what you were after?
... and there I was looking all smart!
Yes, that would be the link I was going for. Thank you!
Give Shakespeare the last word
Sam:
I read that post, and I didn't get it.
I had no idea what she was trying to get at.
Sid:
I think she initially blamed Hillary for the attack but halfway thru the comments she apologized but started to attack the lone hillary defender then said that Hillary drank her own kool aid.
Sam:
Yeah,
it was talking in circles.
it is a tale
Told by [Ad hominem deleted], full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing. -- Shakespeare
so poorly done...
xxx
LL -- question
are your three Xs supposed to be kisses? I've always wondered. And if so, serious or ironic ones?