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Do You See The Light?

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

is there any way for users to block certain posters?

I mean, seriously -- this is O'Reilly trying to make Hillary's comments look racist. And its coming from an Obama supporter.

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Submitted by Shane-O on

Block me.

I am in NO WAY associated with Bill O.

There is nothing racist about my post.

Nor was there anything racist about what Senator Clinton said. It was simply a meshing of a movie scene with her speech.

I am not an Obama supporter.

I'm growing very, very tired of the assumptions being made around here.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

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Submitted by vastleft on

Your video mashups thus far don't, it seems to me, have the same sharp focus as your excellent posts of old. In this one in particular, the viewer is left to wonder what your point is.

Also, you continue to lash out at the Corrente community with statements like "Enough!" and "I’m growing very, very tired of the assumptions being made around here."

Perhaps you could be a little more precise about what's troubling you.

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Submitted by Shane-O on

I've just started on the video-type posting. If there is no room for my growing pains, I'll cease. I've written for a far longer time; precision in any video post will take more work on my part, I realize.

My comment about assumptions referred to a request to me being blocked - Paul's comment. Not to mention the references to my alleged sexism in commenting on mood swings prior...

To be precise, as you requested - if viewers only want to see what they agree with, then I'm not the kind of contributor for Corrente.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

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Submitted by vastleft on

I wouldn't say there's no room for growing pains, but I hope we all endeavor to ensure that Corrente remains a place worth the visit.

And I'm talking about quality, not your choice of subject matter. For example, your juxtaposition of Hillary's and Bill's similar comments made a clear point (though, as I noted, it seemed a little muddied by your gratuitous insertion of two-word similarities between her and GWB). The "Sybil" vid also made something of a point (she seems to have changed her tune rather quickly), but like Lambert, I didn't find comparing HRC to an abused schizophrenic scored as a comedy gem. De gustibus, as they say....

I'm unaware of whether there's an "ignore" feature on this site -- I've never used them much even in dens of iniquity like DU. But I hope you can stand the heat of one user wishing for one, even if you do think this material represents the top of your game.

I truly think you're one of the good guys, and a fine writer, and I surely hope you'll stick around.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

"My comment about assumptions referred to a request to me being blocked - Paul’s comment. "

I asked if there was a way that I could not have to see your stuff.

I am in NO WAY associated with Bill O.

not associated perhaps, but this mashup is from his show, and you are posting it here.

There is nothing racist about my post.

there is something very racist about that clip. In the movie on which it is based (Blues Brothers 2), african americans are portrayed with respect and admiration -- and the scenes that O'Reilly excerpted were part of the overall zeitgeist of the film and its themes -- one of which was the connection between gospel music and rock and roll -- and there is a clear evolution of the actions of the parishioners as they seque from how church-goers act at a gospel revival, to the final shot used by OReilly-- parishioners dancing like they are at a "honky=tonk" -- a bar where there is music and dancing.

As used by O'Reilly, the clips starts out as devout, James Brown does some shouting, and the parishioners jump up and start dancing like fools.

That's racist -- and the intent of the clip is to associate Hillary Clinton with a racist message (i.e. she's not mocking Barack Obama, she's mocking black churches.)

Submitted by lambert on

... to personalize views of the site does exist, but it would take a lot of work to install, and in any case I'm not sure I support the idea of the "Me Journal."

As far as O'Reilly: Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Cliches do tend to touch on certain truths....

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by vastleft on

Of course Shane-O is the one who can clarify this, but I assumed that the mashup was his own, and it incorporates footage of Hillary's speech grabbed from Fox News.

Is that correct, Shay?

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

I was giving Shane-O more credit than he was due...

I thought he'd just posted a racist video from O'Reilly.

But its Shane-O himself that is sending the racist messages...

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

I just found its point quite elusive, except perhaps to imply that Hillary was dissing a genuine religious-revival movement.

did you see any white parishioners in that church? There is certainly more than enough video of actual religious revivalism that could have been used -- instead he chose a clip that not only is about a black church, but is edited in a way to make the parishioners look ridiculous.

This is pure "dog -whistle", VL.

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Submitted by vastleft on

Obama's campaign gestalt heartily cultivates the vibe of black revivals, and the clip ties into that.

I can understand that you might think that John Landis's Hollywood kitsch is somewhat condescending, if well-meaning, but past that I think you're seeing something that just wasn't meant.

Now, do I object to a presidential campaign drenching itself in religiosity? Well, that's another story.

Submitted by lambert on

For example, whether it's straight O'Reilly or a mashup.

I know I sounds like "Watch what you say" here, but may I suggest that this is a moment where some minimal contextualization would have been very helpful--considered in terms of growing pains.

As it is, the thread's gone entirely meta, and whatever the intent of the video was, it surely cannot have been that (?).

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

Obama’s campaign gestalt heartily cultivates the vibe of black revivals, and the clip ties into that.

VL, it is fair to say that Hillary was mocking Obama's use of he "vibe of black revivals".

This video characterizes Hillary mocking the "black revivals" themselves.

that's big difference in my book -- and complete, racially motivated dog-whistle politics. The best think that can be said for Shane-O at this point is that his motivation might be subconscious.

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Submitted by vastleft on

It still doesn't light up my "know-it-when-you-see-it" meter for "racism," but I now better understand your point about how it plays the race card.

Not sure how "the parishioners look ridiculous" fits in, but indeed our meta is getting meta....

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Submitted by Shane-O on

And yes, this has become meta.

When I heard the comments of Senator Clinton, essentially mocking Senator Obama - she used the line about the light from above. Immediately, I thought of this scene from the orignal Blues Brothers. I did an audio version first. Then, I realized that the video might work over top.

I have many recordings of Senator Clinton - not just from Bill O -- I have it from MTP, MSNBC, YouTube. I simply used this version because the quality of the recording was best - and it was the easiest to edit. My apologies for the "Factor" stamp on it.

I made no comparison based on race.

The commentary, which a person who knows the movie might not even get (my fault), had to do with the fact that the two main characters - Jake and Elwood Blues, were moved to a "mission from God" as a result of this scene.

As they say in comedy: if you have to explain the joke, it just isn't funny.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

Submitted by lambert on

... is that the campaign has been absolutely full of dogwhistles and alleged dogwhistles. So dogwhistling kicks in as the default context, in my mind. Hillary hatred too, since it's ubiquitous.

Now, as far as racism and sexism and all of that, let's think back to the Michael Vicks perma-thread, please. Xenophon did a great deal of calling out there, and I thought that, though painful, it was salutary. We all worked through it. So let's not worry too much about "accusations" of this or that. Nobody on this thread is a troll.

Race and sex and gender are fucking minefields even among people of good will in non-chaotic times. In times like these, even our unconscious impulses get magnified and projected to giant size. So, I consider the excellence of Shane-o's past work. This work is not so excellent, for reasons stated, not least by the author: If you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.

Perhaps less charged material would be better to practice on. Eh?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by bringiton on

We are all equipped with one, called [Self-Control]. Not always easy to find but in my case a good hard smack to the forehead with an open palm seems to do the trick, although too often after the fact.

Shane-O and I don't agree on a lot of things but I would be sorry to see him stop posting here, and have in fact wondered why he isn't writing more - now we know, video editing sucks up as much time as RAM. Whether I or others agree with you or not, Shane-O, please keep them coming.

There are plenty of people who don't care for much of what I have to say but they read me anyway, like drivers who can't keep from glancing at a particularly gory wreck. Oh yes you do, I know you do, you're doing it right now, don't deny it. Diversity of opinion is vital to learning, censorship is not an answer for disagreement, and being edgy is not the same as being bigoted. More Shane-O, not less.

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Submitted by Shane-O on

I hadn't checked this thread in quite a while, obviously. Thank you for the encouragement - and more importantly, the advice.

I have to say Lambert, sometimes the more charged material is what helps us all work through it (you're better at knowing the lines and how close a post can get to them without going over).

Unfortunately, I've gotten a bit reticent of late about taking a strong/controversial stand here in the Mighty Corrente Building. Not because I fear disagreement. That's the whole point of this place - and that's one of the attributes I love most about it. Rather, I fear insulting someone or being insulted by them - both in a personal nature.

Things are tense now - most of it for reasons beyond our control. As such, I understand the strong reactions - mostly because I have them too.

Please be assured that I read EVERYTHING posted here regularly. I'm not going away (unless asked to, of course).

It just may take some time for me to get my blogging legs under me again.

The Bill of Rights is a born rebel. It reeks with sedition. In every clause it shakes its fist in the face of constituted authority. . . . it is the one guaranty of human freedom to the American people. - Frank Irving Cobb

Submitted by lambert on

and things are tense. We reflect the RL, and things are tense there.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.