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Democracy Now interviews Wendell Potter: Pushing Michael Moore and Sicko off the cliff

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Submitted by hipparchia on

i was hoping to ndfi out more details about the front group[s], but alas, they did not discuss that part of it in as much detail as i would have liked.

Submitted by hipparchia on

thanks for those links! i'll have to listen to them tomorrow.

Submitted by libbyliberal on

Relieved. What a powerful clip. Thank you.

Remember growing up when things got exposed on, say, 60 Minutes, the whole nation exhaled after the shock and ASSUMED right would then be done, would be the follow up since the sociopaths had been exposed. I was probably very naive but at least there was some sense of shame and there seemed to be a semi-powerful court of public opinion. Now they are exposed, not as much, but the sociopathy machinery continues on undaunted. The code of psychopaths. SICKO should have ended the sociopathy but it didn't. And the army of evil crushed its call out. Astroturfing so diabolical. Disinformation.

When the faux-progressives played us over single payer, and the public option faux-pragmatism felled morality and justice, my heart broke and any sense of faith in government on all levels and the social safety net, the common good, was being earnestly and vilely unravelled.

Btw, what's with Amy, Wendell looks like Haldeman ... ouch ... a tad creepy to say??? Does he? God bless Wendell and his belated epiphany. Amends-making!

Submitted by hipparchia on

or you, both of you are really good at that.

i grew up watching 60 minutes, walter cronkite on the evening news... there was once some real journalism on tv back in the day, even if, looking back on it from present-day perspective, that journalism doesn't seem to have kept us from sliding into the morass we find ourselves in now.

Submitted by lambert on

... and why not in 2009? Sicko was in 2007. Am I missing something?

Submitted by hipparchia on

good question, and i don't know the answer.

i'm not a fan of wendell potter, nor am i particulary impressed with either his whistleblowing or the love he's garnering for that whistleblowing. he was an outspoken proponent of the public option and its purported efficacy to rein in the insurace industry, so i see him - and this interview, instructive though it is - as just another roach motel.

i could be wrong on this recollection, but wasn't democracy now also big on the public option back then?

Submitted by libbyliberal on

Yeah, I flinched when I think Amy mentioned the public option during the interview iirc. I still assume more people "got" the brilliant wholesomeness of single payer. Still naive on the degree of that obtuseness re public option among the left. Still heartbreaking and confounding.

Can you expand on your Potter take? I often assume too much from what I want to believe.

You know, I went to see Fair Game about Plame and want to do a review of it as soon as i can make time. The good, bad and ugly of the movie. But I caught Plame and Wilson on Tavis Smiley and when asked about Wikileaks, Plame could not bring herself to credit Wikileaks for courage and promote its revelations. I thought, wow, she still even after what she has been through has kool-aid left in the thermos? Is conservative which it took to be a CIA operative I am sure, that patriarchal community, and I expected her to be a liberal with both feet now. After all the lies our government perpetrates ... and against her in particular. 18 years she was an agent.

I still have empathy for all she has endured and think she is a powerful voice against government abuse and betrayal.

Ps. thanks for nice thought about my titles. Not sure I make the mark at times. My titles are often "kitchen sink" messages... have a hard time being cryptic cuz I want to make my point from get go. :) You do a good job with yours!!!

Submitted by hipparchia on

Can you expand on your Potter take?

he gets a lot of adulation, but in return he's not really damaging the insurance industry, he's not really giving us a lot of insider iformation about how the industry works [that would be information that we could really use], and what little he does tell us isn't getting people fired up enough to actually dump the insurance industry, it only gets them fired up enough to support some minor tweaks to 'fix' the insurance industry.

Submitted by lambert on

... but if I were the insurance industry, and if ten years or so ago I was considering the eventuality that I would want to nail the Overton Window firmly shut before even getting to a centrist solution like single payer, I might give start to put together some deep cover for a "mole" to do exactly that. Just saying.

Submitted by hipparchia on

actually, i don't think this even has to be foily [or not that foily, anyway].

potter says something in the video about being paranoid at first over what the insurance industry's reaction might be, but that actually [so far] it hasn't turned out to be as bad as he once feared, which does suggest the foily interpretation of his being a long-ago plant waiting for just this moment.

otoh, i find it believeable that his conscience did finally bite him hard enough to get him to leave the industry and go public with his reason why [and kudos to him for doing that]. but the industry isn't really trying all that hard to shut him up, so the conclusion is that he's not really hurting them, and is possibly even helping them [inadvertently], either as a distraction or in a good cop/bad cop kind of way.

so why isn't he hurting them more? maybe, out of fear of real retaliation, he's not telling all that he knows. if true, i can't say that i blame him, but that doesn't make him much of a hero. and maybe, he really doesn't know enough to cause major damage to the insurance companies. he was just a pr person, so maybe he never learned enough about how the rest of the industry operates to enlighten us any further. either way, i wish we were lavishing public adulation on more damaging whistleblowers.