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Death Blow to US Constitution as Obama, NOT Congress, Declares War in Libya

"And we can't stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people there will be no mercy ..." so sayeth Obama, unless, he did not add out loud, said tyrant is one of our many "friend-to-America" tyrants, and that is OKAY apparently to Mr. Peace Prize who campaigned on changing the Bush slippery slope of executive office abuse and war criminality.

Once again, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!" as Chicken Little declared, as well as Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Lieberman, McCain, et al. and all their corporate media buddies.

No time to stop and reflect on what is going on, like America once again waging war on another nation! What is the prob, seriously? This is the normalized drill from here on out. The U.S. Constitution as quaint and irrelevant as the Articles of the Geneva Conventions.

I mean, Charlie Sheen's recent behavior. Now that is material for a prolonged national conversation. But launching another war? Besides, everyone has been warmed up for ages about the one the neocons and neolibs want with Iran. Why should we bother to EXPLORE the motivations of our leadership? And besides, we've got just the insanely expensive and insanely deadly machinery to do it, if those recycled kids still left alive in our military can't handle this one (you know who I am talking about, the exploited and forever entrapped soldier idealists who are dying for US corporate-agenda warfare with their Russian roulette rounds of deployments so that the vast majority of America doesn't have to get up close and personal ever to the consequences of how our tax dollars are being spent to kill).

Besides, when your only tool is a hammer (our military budget will be $719 billion with no protest from our Congress) EVERYTHING appears a nail.

It's just a little oversight, apparently, Obama not Congress waging war. Most of us may have taken that niggling little notice that this is not QUITE okay, but it doesn't seem to be a prob for our trusted and betraying corporate media, so what the hey. How Obama has assumed the authority to wage war a la George Bush, again, to do so without Congressional authorization or even a national conversation. Picky picky picky?

And, there is that "reluctance" in Obama's voice that is being touted by every news station anchor I have heard today, that he really does NOT WANT to go to war. Whew, well that is a comfort. How impressive. (Of course there is reluctance!!! Not necessarily because of any lives at risk, but because only 17% of citizens are left supporting the war in Afghanistan and there is the Prez election coming up in 2012 ... etc. Academy Award Winning teflon Prez Obama has to call on his awesome spin-capacity to make one more profound, grotesque and in your face hypocrisy palatable for America. I have no doubt he will, since this is his amoral genius. Why bemused so-called progressives are ruefully deciding to vote for him in 2012 rather than acknowledge issues of impeachment is beyond me. But, hey, if Bush never got impeached, why would we do that to Obama? That slippery slope of non-accountability ... of course, earnestly enabled by Obama as much as Bush ... begats more and more illegitimate behavior. Institutionalized evil I'd call it. Obama's pragmatism others will.)

Addressing the glaring US hypocrisies, who has time for this during this "May Day, May Day!" madness in Libya? I mean just because the US political and military patriarchy hypocritically cherry-picks who they will bomb the shit out of and who they will let American military troops die for and what monster despots will get our funding, armaments and enabling, why on earth should we press PAUSE and "review the situation" in Libya and hope that a corporate-captured Congress would at least try to do the right thing. We are not even getting kabuki on this.

It's not like the US government has made any mistakes thus far. Oh, okay, millions of people have been killed or displaced by our imperialism and thousands upon thousands of our own troops have died, sustained horrifying physical and emotional injuries, even committed suicide from the horrors and guilt or homicides from the sustained stress paranoia to survive or war-addiction induced sociopathology, and that there has been no accountability for war crimes and illegitimate abuse of America's vast military arsenal against inconvenient foreign leaders in the way of our or any war criminal cronies' quest for oil, other resources and/or bullying power in a given region of the world. And how anti-humanitarian of me to point out the US population needs its tax dollars for its own crises now rather than for supposedly policing the globe to stop violence our government has friggin' armed the entire globe to be capable of, btw.

It is Glenn Greenwald who suggests this executive ordered authorization is a death blow to the US Constitution. Dennis Kucinich also calls out our profoundly obtuse political leadership as well as citizenry on this not small issue.

Glenn Greenwald:

The one point I want to underscore is that the constitutional requirement for Congressional approval is not some legalistic or technical barrier; it's vital. The Founders emphasized that war is the most serious matter upon which a nation can embark, that it is the citizenry that bears the risks and costs, and it is thus imperative that they first consent through their representatives in Congress. John Jay explained in Federalist 4 that Presidents will start wars that are unnecessary and unjust -- i.e., for their own self-serving benefit -- but the people are much less likely to do so (emphasis added):

But the safety of the people of America against dangers from foreign force depends not only on their forbearing to give just causes of war to other nations, but also on their placing and continuing themselves in such a situation as not to invite hostility or insult; for it need not be observed that there are pretended as well as just causes of war.

[snip]

The dangers from unilateral, presidential-decreed wars are highlighted in the Libya situation. There has been very little public discussion (and even less explanation from the President) about the reasons we should do this, what the costs would be on any level, what the end goal would be, how mission creep would be avoided, whether the "Pottery Barn" rule will apply, or virtually anything else. Public opinion is at best divided on the question if not opposed. Even if you're someone who favors this intervention, what's the rationale for not requiring a debate and vote in Congress over whether the President should be able to commit the nation to a new military conflict? Candidate Obama, candidate Clinton, and the Bush-era Democrats all recognized the constitutional impropriety of unilateral actions like this one; why shouldn't they be held to that?

Greenwald cites Yale Law Professor Jack Balkin:

Barack Obama has largely confirmed these expectations, much to the dismay of many liberals who supported him. After issuing a series of publicly lauded executive orders on assuming office (including a ban on torture), he has more or less systematically adopted policies consistent with the second term of the George W. Bush Administration, employing the new powers granted to the President by Congress in the Authorization of the Use of Military Force of 2001, the Patriot Act of 2001 (as amended), the Protect America Act of 2007, the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 and the Military Commissions Acts of 2006 and 2009. These statutory authorizations have created a basic framework for the National Surveillance State, and have made Obama the most powerful president in history in these policy areas.

The choice we face today, therefore, is not whether we will have a National Surveillance State, but the kind of National Surveillance State we will have-- one that does its best to protect privacy, civil liberties and internationally recognized human rights in changing conditions, or one that debilitates or eliminates these protections and guarantees, and brings us ever closer to emergency government as a normal condition of politics.

And for Kucinich:

Rep. Dennis Kucinich is calling for the recessed Congress to come back into session after President Obama announced that the United States will support a United Nations-approved no-fly-zone over Libya.

Kucinich, an outspoken opponent to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, said in a statement that the president does not have the Constitutional power to unilaterally declare war and called on House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to immediately call the Congress back into session “to decide whether or not to authorize the United States’ participation in a military strike.”

“While the action is billed as protecting the civilians of Libya, a no-fly-zone begins with an attack on the air defenses of Libya and Qaddafi forces. It is an act of war. The president made statements which attempt to minimize U.S. action, but U.S. planes may drop U.S. bombs and U.S. missiles may be involved in striking another sovereign nation. War from the air is still war,” Kucinich, D-Ohio, wrote in a letter to Congressional leaders Friday afternoon. “Whether the U.S. takes military action is not for the UN alone to decide. There is a constitutional imperative in the United States with respect to deciding to commit our U.S. armed forces to war.”

“Both houses of Congress must weigh in,” he added. “This is not for the President alone, or for a few high ranking Members of Congress to decide.”

But the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., told ABC News Friday afternoon that he did not believe Congressional authorization is necessary for U.S. involvement, and credited the president for opening up a White House national security briefing Friday to Congressional leaders from both parties.

And then there is that Michael Hughes annoyingly trying to stir up trouble and consciousness (good luck with that, Michael), pointing out that as we commit to war with Libya for humanitarian principle to help the rebels, the Bahrainian monarchy's brutal, Saudi-Arabian enabled crackdown on Bahrainian citizens also fighting repression is simultaneously ignored by a hypocritical and craven US leadership and its convenient disinforming crony, corporate media. Faux-humanitarianism and chronic chicken hawkism continue to prevail.

Although U.S. officials condemned Bahrain’s use of deadly force against unarmed protestors on Wednesday, experts say the Obama administration is reticent to support the people because the Bahraini monarchy best serves U.S. regional interests. Critics accuse the U.S. of employing a double-standard – reluctant to oust the monarchy in Bahrain but more than willing to encourage Libyans to topple Moammar Gaddafi.

The U.S. is also hesitant to criticize Sunni ally Saudi Arabia, which invaded Bahrain on Tuesday at the request of Bahrain’s Sunni royal family to quell Shiite protests. Mideast expert Pepe Escobar of the Asia Times can kick a door open in one’s mind with his perspectives on these events, as he did yesterday:

Let's imagine that neo-Napoleonic French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Italian Prime Minister Silvio "Bunga Bunga" Berlusconi decided to send North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops to help not the Libyan rebels but Muammar "King of Kings" Gaddafi to protect his "sensitive installations". After all, as Gaddafi assured the world, these rebels are "terrorists".
That's exactly what happened with the House of Saud sending armored carriers, tanks and 1,000 troops - part of "Peninsula Shield" forces - to Bahrain to repress an unarmed, civilian, domestic opposition (al-Qaeda or Iran "terrorists", take your pick) demanding political reform.

John Kerry said about the Libyan crisis that, "The US and world community must show they will not stand by while this thug Gaddafi uses air power to murder fellow Libyans.” But why are Kerry and the world community willing to stand by as Bahrain’s al-Khalifa family and the Saudis do the same? Escobar provides another mind-bending analogy:

Imagine the outrage in the "international community" - and the calls to start carpet-bombing right away - if this was Iran invading Lebanon.

The U.S. fears it will lose its naval base in Bahrain should the government come under the control of Shiites – who, despite making up 70% of Bahrain’s population, have lived under the thumb of Sunni royals for over 200 years. And such a move would tip the regional balance of power towards the Shiite Iranians.

[snip]

For those who refuse to believe the Bahraini movement is a legitimate peaceful struggle for democracy, look at the “tweets” of Bahraini citizens that capture the brutality of the crackdowns and reports from journalists on the ground, which have painted an image of repression not unlike what was seen in Tahrir Square in Cairo.

[snip]

The Mideast tumult has elucidated the unholy alliance between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, illustrating that the globe’s leading democracy is in bed with one of the most repressive regimes on earth - a partnership fundamentally based on oil and containing Iran.

As a matter of fact, throughout the historic protests Saudi Arabia has acted as a safe haven for dictators. The House of Saud provided sanctuary to Tunisia's tyrant Zine El-Abidine Ben Ali, was more than willing to host Egypt’s Mubarak and will likely extend a hand to Yemen’s despot, Ali Abdullah Saleh, once his regime falls.

Finally, Felicity Arbuthnot paints a grim picture of the future of those "friends" now being enabled by the US and cronies so addicted to imperialistic interventionism.

The bombing of Libya will begin on or nearly to the day, of the eighth anniversary of the beginning of the destruction of Iraq, 19th March, in Europe. Libya too will be destroyed - its schools, education system, water, infrastructure, hospitals, municipal buildings. There will be numerous "tragic mistakes", "collateral damage", mothers, fathers, children, babies, grandparents, blind and deaf schools and on and on. And the wonders of the Roman remains and earlier, largely enduring and revered in all history's turmoils as Iraq, the nation's history - and humanity's, again as Iraq and Afghanistan, will be gone, for ever.

The infrastructure will be destroyed. The embargo will remain in place, thus rebuilding will be impossible. Britain, France and the US., will decide the country needs "stabilising", "help with reconstruction." They will move in, secure the oil installations and oil fields, the Libyan people will be an incidental inconvenience and quickly become "the enemy", "insurgents", be shot, imprisoned, tortured, abused - and a US friendly puppet "government" will be installed.

The invaders will award their companies rebuilding contracts, the money - likely taken from Libya's frozen assets without accounting - will vanish and the country will remain largely in ruins.

And the loudest cheerleaders for this, as Iraq, will be running round tv and radio stations in London, Europe and the US, then returning to their safe apartments and their UK/US/Europe paid tenures, in the knowledge that no bombs will be dropping on them. Their children will not be shaking uncontrollably and soiling themselves with terror at the sound of approaching planes.

And this Libyan "Shock and Awe"? Shame on France, shame on Britain and the US and a UN avowed: "... to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war." Every shattered body, every child maimed or blown to bits, every widow, widower, orphan, will have their name of those countries, and the UN., written in their blood in their place of death.

And the public of these murderous, marauding Western ram raiders, will be told that we were bringing democracy, liberating Libya from a tyrant, from the "new Hitler", the "Butcher of Bengazi."

The countries who have ganged together these last days to overthrow a sovereign government have, again, arguably, conspired in Nuremberg's: " ... supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole", and yet again, plotted to overthrow a sovereign government, with a fig leaf of "legality" from an arm twisted UN. We have seen it all before.

In time, it will emerge, who was stirring, bribing, de-stabilizing - and likely few will be surprised at the findings. But by then, Libya will be long broken and its people, fleeing, displaced, distraught.

When it comes to dealing with the usual "liberators", be careful what you wish for. In six months or so, most Libyans, whatever the failings of the last forty years rule, will be ruing the day.

You know, the toughest thing is to watch the US Constitution circle the bowl with so few of our citizenry noticing or, maybe, not caring. Also it will be tough to watch even more thousands of lives lost since bombing the shit out of people for this administration as well as the last is the only way to apparently even begin to solve global problems.

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Submitted by Eureka Springs on

Excellent post, LL.

I've always wondered why folk making points with dates about our terror in Iraq refuse to say we have been killing and occupying in Iraq for over 20 years, not 8? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
After all it's plain to see air enforced sanctions are an act of war... and we know Clinton /Albright killed over half a million Iraqis that way - which was "worth it".
http://wn.com/Madeleine_Albright__500000...'WORTH_IT'

But somehow we shouldn't include those years in the iraqi terror tally?

It was one thing for Bush to call forces into action immediately following 9-11, but it's altogether different for more than a few days to go by without congressional action, much less for action such as Libya to ever take place at all, much less before congressional action. This is no small matter... and once again demonstrates without a doubt our system is completely broken and war criminals are still in charge of both major monied parties.

There is no Constitution, no crime, no congress, no check and certainly no balance.

All must step down now.

Submitted by libbyliberal on

Good points about the sanctions period. "Sanctions" have such soft sounding connotations, don't they? The starvation and death they caused, the innocent civilians not living large off corruption were the victims of the SOP of modern patriarchal power hungry nations like ours. And "no fly zone" doesn't sound like anyone will be hurt. No one flys, everyone agrees. How peaceful sounding. NOT.

Even Robert Gates isn't beating the drum, though I think he is up to trying to erase his horrifying history with an image of peace. What a crock. Like Obama trying to prove to the Arab citizens how on their side we are as a country. Good God. Let's play hypocritical catchup.

Yeah, you mention two women who are not preaching the feminine paradigm of partnership and cooperation. They are members of the male club and to be members they can't go girlie, now, can they?

Bring out the death toys. Yeah, you have a paranoid dictator that you have been enabling and then escalate war on him. Let's really poke him with a stick and let us never never never resort to anything but violent agression to make change. Yeah, how well did that turn out for us all in Iraq, huh?

So ironic that the players keep changing and the press doesn't even try to keep up the scorecard. We apparently have Libyan rebels in Gitmo I think A. Worthington was alluding to. We are now committing to take up their cause. So, do they get released now from Gitmo with a "Sorry" or do they go to prison or get executed or tortured or whatever because it was not the time they were our convenient friend? Or, do we just pretend they are not there. Wait til they off themsevles? Mush their minds like with Manning? The Obama way.

I'm waiting for the day when we side with al Quaeda about a mutual enemy. Demonization Dodgeball. The boys sure have really deadly toys, sadly. The drone deal horrifies, too. And our armaments-for-all policy is so craven. Every state produces a part for weaponry so we need jobs in those states so no one speak out against violence and bloodshed, economics is all. What immorality.

Submitted by jawbone on

head from rooftops.

The Telegraph cites video and eye witness testimony.

Nearly all the bodies in the photographs had bullet wounds either in the forehead, neck or in the back of the head. There seems little doubt that this was the work of trained marksmen.

And this differs from Ghaddafi killing his own people how? Well, the Bahraini government says it was the protesters or initated neighbors who did the shooting, so that let's them off any possible hook.

Yet President Saleh, while expressing his sorrow, claimed that the gunmen were either the demonstrators themselves or irate residents neighbouring the university who had grown tired of the noise of the protests – a claim denied by the residents themselves.

See? Big difference, so no need to protect the civilians of Bahrain.

Submitted by libbyliberal on

Brittle leadership, fascistic, and the media just squawks the talking points. Titillation now on the military aggression, like a video war game. Soul burn out for sure. Where is the tipping point for moral outrage?????

Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451. Trust the big screen on your wall! It will take care of you. Don't question the patriarchy and you will be safe. Stay numb and safe. Well, you won't be safe cuz of what they are doing and you may get ambushed anyway, amorality being so sloppy, but that is the way it is.

Charles Ferguson accused Obama on Tavis Smiley show of destroying American idealism for the next couple of generations. What a mighty accomplishment that is. What prize does Obama get for that?

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Submitted by goldberry on

For one thing, we've done airstrikes before without getting congressional approval. Remember the airstrikes that Clinton called in 1998 during the lewinski scandal but that were denounced as "wag the dog" by Republicans? The wingnuts weren't yammering about the constitutionality of them, iirc. You'd think they'd be pulling out their personally autographed copies of the thing but what they were more concerned with was a blow job. Maybe that was a sign of things to come but there ya go. If they had had the opportunity to impeach Clinton for violating the constitution, don't you think they would have done it?

Then there's the paradox of condemning strikes to aid a rebel group against a dictator while simultaneously condemning the decision to stand by in Bahrain? I'd argue for consistency too but there seems to be a whole lot of stuff going on throughout the world at the same time. Maybe it's because of the oil. Maybe it's a matter of priority. Maybe it's strategery. Do we have sufficient information to tell which it is at this point? I don't think so. I just hope there is a clear head thinking this through.

Show me one person who likes the use of military force and I'll show you a fool and a republican. But sometimes, it's necessary. The world has been waiting for years to nail Qaddafi. Do you remember Lockerbee? Then there's the growing humanitarian crisis. A show of force could send a message to Bahrain.

Not every airstrike had to have purely evil intentions.

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Submitted by lambert on

Given that making war isn't subject to the budgetary process. Or lessons from recent history, either. Why not just invade them, too?

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Submitted by par4 on

gave the go ahead for both gulf war one and this operation. Anyone bemoaning this action care to stand up and defend Ghaddilf?

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Submitted by Jack Crow on

Qadaffi can be a bad dude right alongside Obama, Sarkozy and Cameron.

Submitted by jm on

As is usually the case when imperial bloodletting is discussed, Chris Floyd cuts to the chase:

To decry the course of action being taken by the interventionists in Libya is not to "support" Gadafy. (Unlike his present attackers, who have supported him most sumptuously for years.) This should go without saying, but of course it can't; this witless denunciation is invariably trotted out against anyone who does not immediately jump on the bloodsoaked bandwagon whenever our leaders start killing people. (You can only oppose this mass production of foreign corpses after it's over -- and even then, you can only describe it as a mistake, or an example of good intentions gone awry through incompetence or happenstance.)

This is not to deride the desire of well intentioned people to act on humanitarian impulses. But we all should have learned by now that humanitarian aid delivered via cruise missile never achieves humane ends.

Submitted by libbyliberal on

What about Turkey? Turkey did not like Gazan War. Turkey not happy with this operation. Bully US so transparently trying to shove other nations into action so they can do their lame pointing that they, the US power elite, are so reluctant and self-restrained. That is rich.

Would like to be able to begin to trust the mighty leaders making such profound decisions but there is no evidence of humanity. Only 17% of citizens for Afghan War and yet, who cares in the halls of power and will this stop the military industrial security complex killing machine or simply trigger jingoistic spinning and the media all aimed at Lucy and football bait and switch 2012 electioneering... the media who have no capacity for honor and honesty -- framing so successfully twisted facts and scenarios of their corporate and political cronies ... who can tell truth from spin, but I would put money on them being twisted more often than not.

So, on the left, we are divided. People who are more pragmatic about war, as they were pragmatic about other things, public option, Obama's superiority to Bush, [gag] .... and people who are asking for morality ... as if morality is THE path, for a better and peaceful and community world. Because, you know, it is.

But the imagination for hope has taken a beating. Idealism? US has shot its moral credibility with the rest of the world a long time ago and would that its own citizenry catch up.

Obama is not a c ommunity organizer, would that he were. He is a war criminal organizer. But it takes millions to enable him, and they sadly are.

Personality over character? Style over substance?

I don't get it.

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Submitted by Stirling Newberry on

Of the UN charter, the United States is required to provide air-forces in the event that the UNSecurity Council requires them to enforce a resolution. I'm no great fan of Obama, and I cannot talk about the Libyan intervention, but the legal forms have been complied with: there was a UNSC resolution, it passed with all permanent members in favor, and the US is part of enforcement of this resolution.

The order is legal. I will leave it to others to debate whether it is a good idea, and whether there is a viable end game, but this is how it is supposed to go down, with the UNSC requiring all necessary measures short of an invasion.

Submitted by JuliaWilliams on

And, as such could have vetoed the resolution, so no-one "forced" our hand here:
http://www.un.org/sc/members.asp

Not to mention the bloody resolution was co-sponsored by us:

The UN Security Council voted late Thursday (17 March) to authorise the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya and the taking of "all necessary measures" - code for military action - to protect civilians from leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces. Ten of the council's 15 members voted in favour of the resolution, with Russia, China, Germany, India and Brazil abstaining. The resolution was co-sponsored by France, Britain, Lebanon and the United States. The adoption of the resolution after days of closed-door negotiations could lead to a dramatic escalation of international involvement in a conflict that erupted last month between Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces and rebels trying to topple him.
(From this article:

http://www.actmedia.eu/2011/03/21/top+st...
So the "requirement" was sought by our government, not foisted on us.

Submitted by jawbone on

“Susan basically said that it was possible to get a tougher resolution” that would authorize a fuller range of options, including the ability to bomb Libyan government tanks on the road to Benghazi, the rebel stronghold in the east, administration official said.

“That was the turning point” for Mr. Obama, the official said. The president was scheduled to go to a dinner with military veterans that night; he told his aides to draw up military plans. And he instructed Ms. Rice to move forward with a broader resolution at the Security Council.

She already had one ready — drawn up the week before, just in case, officials said. Besides asking for an expanded military campaign, Ms. Rice loaded up the resolution with other items on the American wish list, including the authorization to use force to back an arms embargo against Libya. “We knew it would be a heavy lift to get any resolution through; our view was we might as well get as much as we could,” Ms. Rice said in a telephone interview.

On Wednesday at the Security Council, Russia put forward a competing resolution, calling for a cease-fire — well short of what the United States wanted. But the French, who had been trying to get a straight no-fly resolution through, switched to back the tougher American wording. And they “put it in blue” ink — U.N. code for calling for a vote.

“It was a brilliant tactical move,” an American official said. “They hijacked the text, which means it could be called to a vote at any time.”
(My emphasis)

Now, several things are not clear: While the US claims that any opponent, whether aiding and abetting others, actually fighting US personnel, or simply being in the proximity of what we view as combatants, is an enemy combatant regarding the War on Terror, it seemingly cannot make clear whether the Libyan rebels are combatants or civilians. That distinction becomes highly meaningful given that the resolution is about protecting "civilians." Nor has it been made clear whether the military, ours or guided by our command and control facilities, will protect the civilians aligned with Ghaddifi from attacks by the rebels in the east, which are being armed by our allies and perhaps by us....

It's good to write the rules, isn't it? And to have the power to choose to igore them if they inconvenience our government and its objectives....

Both Obama and Cameron have said publicly that Ghaddifi must be "removed" or "leave." Sounds like call to off him, one way or another. BBC reported today that we launched a cruise missile which hit Ghaddifi's quarters within his compound; it was not known if Ghaddifi were there at the time.

This does give Obama another action which St. Ronnie took, hitting Ghaddifi where he lived. St. Ronnie took out Ghaddifi'a step daughter...wonder who Barry took out....

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Submitted by lizpolaris on

doesn't make it right.

What's interesting is that Obama has rewritten the rules, again. And that this is the same thing that the Bush administration did or tried to do, in order to make 'legal' the actions they wanted to carry out. Unfortunately, it is a good tactical maneuver on the administration's part - which successfully gives the appearance of not needing to get congressional support.

The larger question in this case is - do we want to remove the ability of the president to order the occasional strike? Think of other similar actions, such as Clinton's strike in Afghanistan, which at the time was considered 'wag the dog' and in retrospect, looked like clairvoyance. Or Reagan's strike in Libya.

One other thing I find interesting is that rather than this being a one time strike to support the broader goal of enforcing a no-fly zone, Obama's note to congress today seems to indicate that he feels he's started a third ongoing war in the Middle East.

Submitted by libbyliberal on

Anyone ever see the movie IN THE LOOP, VERY APT FOR TODAY, a brilliant satire but closer to home I am sure than we would ever suspect, even the most cynical of us, about the usefulness of the UN in launching the Iraq War and the craven and you would think incompetent manipulations to induce vast human misery by ego-maniacs in charge and their middle management lackeys who can't see beyond their youthful ambitiousness despite at times their own reckless stabs at a grandiose but quickly evaporating sense of rightness when it conflicts with their own self-serving needs.

Submitted by jawbone on

air attacks by the Israelis?

Because we wouldn't let any resolution be passed which would require us to protect them? We sure don't requires Israel to abide by the many resolutions concerning Palestinians rights and territory.

It's good to have a veto....

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Submitted by par4 on

everyone forgotten that the anti-Qaddafi forces were begging for help? They were being slaughtered by Qaddafi's superior western supplied weapons and mercenaries form sud-Saharan Africa. I'm starting to wonder what blogging would have looked like during the American Revolutionary War.

Submitted by jm on

You seem to be saying all that is needed to achieve a successful outcome (from the anti-Qaddafi perspective) is good intentions. How confident are you that our leaders have good intentions? How confident are you that they share the perspective of the anti-Qaddafi forces? Me, not so much:

...American officials said Sunday it was too early to define the international military campaign's endgame.

The top U.S. military officer suggested that Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi might stay in power in spite of the military assault aimed at protecting civilians, calling into question the larger objective of an end to Gadhafi's erratic 42-year rule. Other top U.S. officials have suggested that a weakened and isolated Gadhafi could be ripe for a coup.

Don't you think it's a good idea to have a clear idea of what you hope to achieve before you send in the cruise missiles, B-2 bombers and Harriers? How are the rebels helped if Qaddafi is allowed to stay in power? You don't think he would seek vengeance once our attention is directed elsewhere? How is the average Libyan better off if the new leader is just some other power hungry Colonel?

Submitted by JuliaWilliams on

No one seems to be able to get a handle on the composition of the rebels, but they seem to have a tribal/clan basis for rebelling, at least in some part. What are their demands, and what is their vision for a future Libya? In addition their self-appointed leader, Mustafa Abdel Jalil has been approaching US, British, and Saudi (!) governments for support, but do we know if he is really any better that Qaddafi? Are we helping to install another "tame" dictator? And is it just a coincidence that recently Qaddafi was going to sell oil rights to India, Russia, and China?
I found this to be a good read/analysis:
http://phillyimc.org/en/imperial-war-libya

Submitted by Fran on

Reading Black Agenda Report last week, I saw that the 'rebels' were 'lynching' and slaughtering dark skinned laborers and then declaring them to be mercenaries for Qaddafi.

"What has become apparent from reports filtering out of the country is that many of the 1.5 million black African migrant workers trapped in Libya feel themselves under racial siege, hunted by what Black Americans would immediately recognize as lynch mobs – “pogrom” is another word that springs to mind – especially in the rebel-held areas. "

I found this disturbing. Read the article on www.blackagendareport.com for details.

In an update there, Glen Ford says the following:

'“R2P” – Responsibility to Protect – is the Obama regime’s favored formula for pouring mud in the otherwise clear waters of international law. The philosophy – actually, a political position seeking legal recognition – amounts to a kind of super-power judicial waiver couched in the language of nobles oblige, the obligation of the strong to help the weak. In the real world, the strong only help themselves – in this case, to Libya’s oil reserves, the largest in Africa.'

I cannot begin to summarize the report. I give these 2 quotes for an idea of what to consider. Since my rule of thumb is to question the motives of our 'empire' anyway, I am very doubtful of the intentions of the 'rebels' to be acting of behalf of the people of Libya. It would appear that this is being carried out under the guise of the recent uprisings of democracy in the Middle East.

Submitted by jawbone on

BUT it was due, somehow, to Ghaddifi, iirc the reporting correctly. Could have been BBC....

And, coverage in the US MCM??? There's this from the Christian Science Monitor (now online only), which emphasizes that Ghaddifi has stirred up additional anger against black Africans becuase he has tried to woo black Libyans.

Many experts – and African migrant workers themselves – say the animosity stems from anti-African racism found throughout the Arab world. But some say the anger has been made much worse by Mr. Qaddafi's moves to buy the loyalty of black Libyans from the south of the country as well as his decades-long efforts to build Africa-wide patronage networks at great cost to the country's Arab majority.

“I think that there are levels of racism within Libyan society that are quite problematic. But racism is not just against other Africans, meaning non-Libyan Africans, but also within Libya itself," says Na'eem Jeenah, executive director of the Afro-Middle East Centre in Johannesburg, South Africa. "Qaddafi’s bodyguards, many of those people are actually from the south of Libya, partly because Qaddafi trusts them more than he would trust people from the north for various tribal and other reasons."

Google search shows mostly blog and foreign articles on the topic.

Submitted by jawbone on

basically that the military action is not illegal (providing it stays strictly within the resolution's guidelines) , not about democracy (see his take on which Arab nations will send troops and his Clinton comment), and is strictly limited (I would say, "supposed to be strictly limited").

Most alarming is what he has written about Hillary Clinton's role:

A senior diplomat in a western mission to the UN in New York, who I have known over ten years and trust, has told me for sure that Hillary Clinton agreed to the cross-border use of troops to crush democracy in the Gulf, as a quid pro quo for the Arab League calling for Western intervention in Libya.

Interesting comments.

Interesting posts by a man who worked within the diplomatic world and called his our nation on its hypocrisy, thereby losing his job.

Submitted by jawbone on

US or some other foreign power to "come in" and aid them in "protecting civilians"?

That's a loophole an army can drive through....

Maybe we an can get a base in Libya out of this, the better to protect "civilians" and, collaterally, access to Libyan oil.

Submitted by jawbone on

targets? Where's the proportionality?

Two nights ago, 118 Tomahawk missiles were aimed at 20 targets. These things are extremely destructive. We know that some of the targets were radar installations and SAM missile sites. These are not extensive. Airfields would need more, but the fact that 118 extremely expensive missiles were fired at just 20 targets undoubtedly includes a large measure of redundancy, precisely because the military know very well that some of them will miss.

You cannot send hundreds of cruise missiles and numerous bombing raids into Libya without killing civilians. You do not have to accept anything the Gadaffi regime says to know that.

There are genuine questions arising now about proportionality and whether the allied action really is confined to carrying out the mandate of SCR1973. Taking out air defences can be justified as an essential precursor to setting up the no fly zone. But whether taking out the command and control structure of the entire Libyan armed forces is really necessary to the protection of civilians appears at best a dubious proposition.

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Submitted by beowulf on

Command and Control structure (which after all is where the orders to attack civilians by air and on the ground originate) is, by any military ethics standpoint, a legitimate targets for aerial bombardment.

I don't see the point of getting involved in Libya-- my general attitude is if a war isn't worth drafting for it isn't worth fighting for, but the the USAF and the Navy know their business. Before sending in US planes, the always take out anti-aircraft defenses and command and control structure.

I believe the precedent of a UN Security Council resolution being a de facto substitute for congressional authorization for use of force was established by President Truman jumping into the Korean War with both fight in the wake of a UNSC resolution. With that precedent, I think Kucinich is off base stating Obama should be impeached over it. What Obama SHOULD be impeached for is targeting a US citizen for assassination. That actually falls under the federal murder statute (since the plan hasn't been, errr, executed yet, I guess the indictable crime is conspiracy to commit murder).

18 USC 1117
If two or more persons conspire to violate section 1111, 1114,
1116, or 1119 of this title, and one or more of such persons do any
overt act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be
punished by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

18 USC 1111
(a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice
aforethought...
Any other murder is murder in the second degree.
(b) Within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of
the United States...

18 USC 1119
A person who, being a national of the United
States, kills or attempts to kill a national of the United States
while such national is outside the United States but within the
jurisdiction of another country shall be punished as provided under
sections 1111, 1112, and 1113.

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Submitted by twig on

but how can anyone justify spending millions of dollars (soon to be billions, no doubt) on this instead of on desperate Americans?

If the Pentagon has money in its budget for "unexpected contingencies" like this, why isn't it being used to help some of the millions of people whose unemployment benefits have expired? Or those who don't have enough to eat or the millions who can't afford our crummy health insurance?

I'm not saying the Libyan people don't deserve assistance, but we have a humanitarian crisis in this country that's going unaddressed.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

the eagerness with which Obama went to war is truly sickening. Like he did it for shits and giggles.

Submitted by jawbone on

How better to prove he is Bush III?

Oh, and Obama fluffers have been emphasizing how thoughtful, how reluctant, how deeply committed to not having to use military action Obama has been about the crying need for military assault against Libya. Riiiiiiiight.