I never ever check GOS anymore. Sorry I didn’t realize Mr. CIA himself had frontpaged this video. Oh well.

I wouldn’t have seen it otherwise. Nice leadership there by the FL Dems, who also gave us the butterfly ballot and FUBARed the recount. What a bunch of asshats.

Global warming may have an upside.

In the room. There is a segment of the Democratic Party—white middle aged, middle class feminists who are gone if Obama wins. I’m convinced there’s nothing we can do to get them back. And I’m convinced that every day which goes on means more and more of them cross the threshold of never being able to support Obama.

I’ll say it now: I think that the Vice Presidential nominee should be pro-life.

http://dailykos.com/comments/2008/4/1/20…

I bought the stories about how the Democratic legislature in Florida was innocent and it was all those nasty Republicans’ fault. Then I saw this video and I felt like a sucker. I wish this would get around. There are a lot of bloggers blaming Obama for Florida not being counted when he has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Thank. You.

I’ve felt like a voice in the wilderness for trying to convince people that the Florida Democrats were feeding people a line of bullshit by saying they were powerless over the whole thing. They were not.

The voters of FL and MI shouldn’t be punished for the sings of the FL party. It’s wrong, and it’s stupid, because it hurts us in the general.

The issue should be how to make the FL and MI voters whole. Kos, as the good little apparat he is, obfuscates that—as indeed he must, since his candidate opposed all the remedies that would have made the voters fail.

Words can’t express how bitter and angry I am on this, not only on the Dem establishment — please, let’s not go for the incompetence dodge — but their enablers on the A list, because the revote was win-win for all the players, including the party. Disgusting. Delegitimizes an Obama win in my mind, totally.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Rick, as you say.

He had everything to do with preventing a solution. That’s the issue here. I don’t know anybody who’s blaming Obama for how the situation came to be, except for people who think Dean is Obama’s cat’s paw, which I haven’t seen any real evidence for.

I mean, you see a trainwreck, bodies everywhere.

There are people who wanted to get the injured to a hospital; they were the ones seeking the revote.

There are people — like Obama, and Rick — who drove on by, saying “Hey, I didn’t cause the trainwreck, let ’em get themselves to a hospital.” They’re the ones who lawyered up, wanted to bring the Bush Justice Department in, and gamed and delayed until the the clock ran out. That would be Obama. See Luke 10:25-37 for the relevant Christian text, since I understand that Obama is, putatively, a Christian….

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

claim the Dems had no control over the DNC stripping of delegates

I’ve seen other stories, like Wayne Barrett’s claiming that many Dems were trying to prevent this, but being outnumbered 2-1 in the FL legislature doesn’t help. There were amendments proposed, which the Republican leader laughed at when they brought to vote.

I haven’t yet watched the video(at work), but will later on comment further. Also, the Dems had no control over the DNC, and the DNC was fully within its rights to reduce the delegates, like the Republicans did(and I personally believe this was a coordinated effort on the behalf of Republicans to cost the Dems two big swing states, not having any idea how well the DNC would play into their hands.)

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Here is Steve Geller’s response on C-Span. Minute 11:06. He was outvoted, and he knew it.

“Fix the problem, not the blame”

Let’s strip away the Fl/MI superdelegates who helped cause the problem.

Punish them, instead of the FL/MI voters.

Who is to blame? Lots of people. Obama for being uncooperative now, but what happened in the first place wasn’t his fault. The Rules Committee could have finessed it, but the collusion and defiance of the FLDC wasn’t their fault. The FLDC screwed up big time and then let their pride get in the way of a reasonable solution, but they were just doing what they thought was the right thing to do as representatives of Florida Democrats; they were wrong, but not insincere.

The fault here is with the voters, the people who elected this collection of fools to represent them. Oh, and also the Florida voters who don’t bother to show up at the polls. Elect fools - or stay home and let others elect fools - and what can you expect?

The Democratic voters of Florida made this mess, and since it became apparent that it was going to be a big mess they have done nothing to clean it up. Where is the outrage directed at their own representatives? Where are the calls for turning these fools all out of office in favor of grass-roots candidates pledged to look out for voters’ interests instead of grandstanding ego trips?

If the Democratic voters of Florida want another go at electing delegates to the Convention, there are many ways to do it; none of them require permission from either Obama or Clinton. Instead of whining about how unfair it all is, they should get up off their dead butts and do something about it.

More action, less whining; Please.