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Hillary accepts Secretary of State offer

Interesting

Well, nobody said she wasn't a centrist. And... Well, I think she'll be a hell of a lot better than Colin Powell.

Although I'm not sure what this portends for our domestic agenda.

NOTE The intracranial splatterfest will be fascinating to watch.

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Submitted by Aeryl on

I liked her Iraq plan better. So that's bonus.

Plus, the added benefits that we as a nation get from having her in this position, will spill over into the domestic arena, especially on women's rights.

Submitted by jawbone on

things I see in this move.

If, of course, she says yes. I don't get the weird leaks and then counter leaks that she hasn't accepted yet.

Is she negotiating with Obama--maybe to get commitment on UHC? That was her big issue.... That did occur to me today, that he needs her out of the Senate more than she needs to take the Secty of St job.

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Submitted by pie on

out there apparently didn't want her to fight for them, so there's that.

I'm excited for her. Some people say she doesn't have a lot of experience. But she definitely beats Rice and Obama, frankly. America needs the other 50-something democrats to get off their asses, remember why they were elected, and represent our interests. One person isn't enough, especially a junior senator.

So, you go, Hillary. Congratulations. I'm sure you and Obama will begin to repair our image around the world. It'll take hard work and long hours and fearlessness, all of which you've demonstrated you have in large supply.

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Submitted by badger on

like Obama during the debates. Certainly she never went to primary school in another country, which I thought was both necessary and sufficient foreign policy expertise. Maybe Obama will train her.

Mostly I think Obama has just read too much Doris Kearns Goodwin, and I've never thought she was all that smart.

But Hillary is a much better choice than, say, Hagel or Lieberman, who are more like what I expected.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

like Hillary wants to make a graceful exit from public life -- she became Senator from New York State only to position herself for a run for the White House, and this gets her out of her commitment to the people of New York while achieving an appropriate end to her political career.

While Hillary has always been pretty good on foreign policy, her primary focus has always been on domestic issues -- and the State job makes sense only as a way of getting herself out of the Senate (and, perhaps just as important to a lot of Democratic egos, getting her out of the Senate)

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Submitted by Historiann on

And there are many alums who became President: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, and James Buchanan. Unfortunately for those who harbor hopes that Clinton will run for President again, James Buchanan was the last Secretary of State who was later elected President--and we all know how well that turned out, don't we?

Interestingly, this connection between the Sec'y State job and the Presidency only held before the Civil War, when there was relatively little foreign policy that the U.S. was involved in, leaving plenty of time for stateside politicking and intrigue. That's not the job description now.

As for Clinton: the Secretary of State is widely acknowledged to be one of the most prestigious and powerful appointments in the Cabinet. The Clinton name is a powerful name-brand that will go far towards earning the U.S. some credit and helping to repair the damage inflicted by Bush on U.S. foreign relations and foreign policy. She'll have more to do, and more positive influence in the government and the world, than if she were VP. Maybe it's just me, but if I were Joe Biden, I'd be biting my tongue and having to bring my giant smiley-face to the Inauguration Balls, because I'd know that the Secretary of State was a better, more interesting, and more influential job.

Submitted by jawbone on

holds. I am glad she is not VP. So, if she's not going to stay in the Senate perhaps she can do a great deal as Secty of St. And, Bill may travel with her sometimes.

Ought to be interesting!

I have feared she will be the lightning rod attracting all the MCM criticism away from actual Obama decisions or lack of same. And lightning rod for Blogger Boyz too. Like Kos, who said it wasn't Obama's fault the Dems kept Lieberman in his prime chairmanships. Since Obama wasn't in the Senate when they voted.

Of course, Obama had stated there was to be no recriminations against Lieberman.... Maybe Obama feels he can control Holy Joe. Who knows??

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Submitted by Historiann on

I wouldn't ever bet against Hillary Clinton. There are risks in taking SoS, but there are also risks in staying where she is. I think you raise a good point about the lightning rod thingy--Chris Matthews is about to pop his squash over this. But, much of her work is done out of the country, and she's enormously popular among the majority of people around the globe who don't follow the U.S. media. She's got chops and will get heard. (Did anyone hear from John Kerry much after Election Day 2004 until...well, do we hear much from him now? I mean no disrespect to Senator Kerry, but the spotlight hasn't followed him since he lost in 2004, so maybe that's part of Clinton's thinking now.)

She proved herself loyal and dedicated to electing Obama after the primaries. She's earned this.

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Submitted by amberglow on

making her VP would have been far easier for that--and far less substantive too--

Sec'y of State for Obama is going to be an enormously busy (and totally contradictory) position-- talking to everyone everywhere, while still expanding Afghanistan and threatening (and/or bombing) Pakistan and Iran--and of course, as always, trying to do something on Israel/Palestine too.

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Submitted by pie on

and raise you a gold piece.

You see, the thing with Hillary is, I've always believed she is more than capable of handling any position.

The only ones badmouthing her are those that have other priorities. They've backed real losers, so who cares?

I don't. She'll make him look good. Hopefully, that's what he's counting on. :)

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Submitted by vastleft on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...

- "nascent alliance was now ready to be sealed" Are they going to spit in their palm and shake hands?
-- Frankly I wish he'd make her sign a loyalty oath in blood.
---Yes, because suddenly it's 1654 around here.
---- "suddenly"?

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Submitted by Damon on

I've made my opinion on this move made known, but I'd like to leave everyone to think about this: Think about your own stance on this, and ask yourself if you're supporting this out of being a fan or an actual supporter.

For me, the fans are the ones that clamour for her to hold any position in any administration offered to her. These are the same folks that were pushing for a VP spot before she was even forced out of the nomination, and the ones that only look at her as nothing more symbol instead of the policy maker that she is. These are the same ones who have argued that she'd be both the best SoD or the best SoS or the best SSH evah. These are the ones that don't really take into account who she is and who she isn't, where she'd serve best and where she wouldn't.

Let's just say that I've seen a whole lot of pathological rationalization to see her fit into an Obama administration, as if trying to square peg through a triangular hole. If one has to go around the world to fit her in, that should say something. If one steps back, observes her carefully as a politican, and seriously gets both what she is and what she isn't, and ones truly asks themselves where she can most effectively serve the nation best, there is really only one way to view the offer, and IMO, it's not in this incoming administration.