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The question of how (or whether) to respond electorally to the Obamacon has been answered many ways, but none better than the one I encountered today in FDL's special section on marijuana legalization, JUST SAY NOW .COM. In a Jon Walker thread entitled White House Offers Dismissive Response to Marijuana Petitions, zapkitty comments:

… so you’d rather that Obama be rewarded for backstabbing his base with the ability to pack the courts with corporate tools instead of religious fools?

Got news for you: either way we lose… and game theory, the Prisoner’s Dilemma, ensures that we lose much worse if we are not seen as willing to punish Obama for his betrayals.

zapkitty's right. A vote for Obama is a vote for the scam that's been run on us the last 35 years.

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Submitted by nekobus on

The Prisoner's Dilemma just might be a rhetorical tactic capable of breaking through the emotional and illogical walls many of my intellectual friends raise whenever this subject is broached. It's a good frame, at any rate. Unfortunately, reason, so far, just hasn't been effective at convincing a lot of these folks.

Actually, the one argument I make demonstrating that Obama's not on our side that, as a group, they don't seem able or interested in countering, is pointing out his Justice Dept's brief from 2009 (http://www.inlookout.com/2009/06/12/doj-...) that compared the validity of my marriage to incestuous pederasty. I really think that, at the end of the day, that's what it's going to take to get them to wake up -- enough constant clear, shameless, undeniable evidence of the administration's malice to break through the MSM barrier and smack these people in the face.

But then again, maybe not. There's been no shortage of that already, for starters. Also, after all the broken promises, foot-dragging, and downright opposition Obama made to DADT repeal, now he seems to be claiming credit for what the freaking Log Cabin Republicans scared Congress into doing -- and his supporters are asking me how I can possibly say he's anti-gay. Arguing with this is like arguing with the most hard-core Bush fans in 2006. Reality just has no merit there.

For getting specific legislation passed, it's clear that fans of the legislation have to embarrass this president in order to get anything to happen. We haven't gotten DoMA repeal or ENDA, and it has been a slog to get this flawed DADT repeal, but the gays have at least gotten *something* -- some tiny crumbs -- out of this admin, after heckling at fundraisers, etc.

The rest of the time, maybe it's best to do what the Occupy folks seem to be doing -- not mention Obama specifically, ever, and just lump him in with the rest of the powers that be.

Submitted by lambert on

... and perhaps the margin was once enough. No more.

What I wonder is whether there might be a way to counter the "They're crazy" argument by pointing out how the Ds are crazy, just in a different and more plausible way?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by lambert on

... and perhaps the margin was once enough. No more.

What I wonder is whether there might be a way to counter the "They're crazy" argument by pointing out how the Ds are crazy, just in a different and more plausible way?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by Randall Kohn on

Hal Sparks still vouch for him. In fact, Hal Sparks still lies for him. Last Saturday AM he opined that the banks have cleverly gamed us but have done nothing illegal - hence, no prosecutions. Disgusting.

JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do

-- Philly Cream

Submitted by Hugh on

Rachel Maddow is an Establishment liberal. Establishment liberal is just another word for "sellout". They point fingers at crazy Republicans, throw in a few liberal catch phrases, and then encourage everyone to support corporatist Democrats. In class war terms, they are just distractors meant to keep the 99% chasing their tails, demonizing Tweedledum while extolling the virtues of Tweedledee.

Hugh