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Coincidence?

[I see our OFB stalker, dmd76, has found a new smear. (The primariez are over, dude!) Obviously, this post is directed toward moderation policies at Kos, and to the purge of not-Obama supporters that took place contemporaeously. The interesting thing about the screen dump is that it had to have been implemented by admins, hence by site management. That's why I started referring to the site as The Obama 527 Formerly Known As Daily Kos. For my views on Larry Johnson, see here.]

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You be the judge.

But with stuff like this going on:

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It's hard to avoid thinking that "Crashing the Gates," operationally, means replacing one set of Beltway Consultants with another. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that some of us had imagined things might be different.

UPDATE Link added, in case the language of the screen dump doesn't speak for itself.

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Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

you're just trying to start trouble, and you know it.

I mean, the graphic is a scream, but the whole Larry Johnson thing is sooooo last week...

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

DK: The CheezWhiz of progressive ideas -- pasteurized, reprocessed, groupthink

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Submitted by Gene Gaudette on

... and I'm trying to stay on a diet.

From "Crashing the Gates" to "Cashing In at the Gate" (sigh)...

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Submitted by Sarah on

there are some good writers doing good diaries at DKos, but with all the candidate wars junk diaries, it's almost too much effort sifting the value from the dross for me.

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Submitted by amberglow on

accomplished is "out of bounds" at Daily Obama, according to most there. It's some kind of biased attack and unreasonable, instead of Job Interview question #1 for every adult on Earth.

Meanwhile, if the McCain Lobbyist Lover thing gets real traction, watch for Cheney to step down so they can install someone to become the GOP nominee (Romney, Jeb, Condi?) /psychic prediction #455

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Submitted by markg8 on

I know Johnson flipped out and flipped off
Kos for that rebuke but I'd like to read the story and make up my mind for my myself but I'm too lazy to go find it.

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Submitted by mikeirwin on

Kos is a newcomer to the "left". Maybe he didn't make past the DLC.

don't follow the slate; create debate

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Submitted by dmd76 on

Larry Johnson describing how he turned his Republican neighbor off to Obama:

When he heard the true story of Obama's past (including Obama's Kenyan ties and muslim relatives). He flipped.

Are you claiming that this isn't xenophobic Muslim-baiting, or just that Kos shouldn't flag people for this kind of insulting rhetoric?

What a bunch of thin-skinned, sore losers you Clinton supporters are!

Submitted by lambert on

Thank you for commenting, dmd76. Your comment is important to us. Please do not hesitate to comment again.

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Submitted by dmd76 on

My name is Diego M. D*****, born in 1976. You can call me an Obama troll all you want, but you haven't responded to my message.

You post a screenshot of Kos's warning (apparently, without reading the post that prompted the warning), and then you expect everyone to be oh so mortified. L. Johnson posted an offensive diary at dailykos and got called on it. Maybe you agree with his implication that "Obama's Kenyan ties and muslim relatives" are somehow negative qualities?

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Submitted by dmd76 on

the link you added in the Update was to Mr. Johnson's tirade in response to being warned at dailykos, not the post in question. That can be found here. Apparently, we're supposed to judge whether the "screen dump ... speak[s] for itself" by the unhinged reaction of the offending party. Love that echo chamber!

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Larry Johnson has written a number of posts expressing concern about Obama's perceived meddling in Kenya (one of the parties is reportedly his cousin) and how that - in addition to Kenya's role in the "War on Terror" -could be exploited by the GOP in November. (See, e.g., http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/...)

That you choose to read Johnson's short-hand reference to these points as some sort of attempted smear of Obama (presumably similar to the Muslim email smear) only tells me that you haven't read Johnson and therefore have no idea what you're talking about. Larry Johnson has been very rough on Obama and I don't always agree with his points, but - unless I've missed something - he has not engaged in "unsupported claims, Muslim baiting and xenophobia." And, yet, the only option Kos gave Johnson was to check the box to agree with this characterization. Unsurprisingly, Johnson was unwilling to do that. Also unsurprisingly Kos did not give Johnson the option of checking a box that cancelled Johnson's account.

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Submitted by intranets on

I know, it's like obama/kos trolls have nothing better to do then re-enact a XKCD cartoon strip.

We have all probably been around dkos longer than these newbie stick-up-for-dkos-trolls. It clearly is not an isolated incident nor related to LJ. Kos has been pulling these same shenanigans long before he even heard of Obama, and maybe even before his whole staff became DNC insiders. Thank you for your concern. But in the amount of time that you "need to go read the original post to make up your own mind" you could have done exactly that and then come back and finished your post.

Next time anyone is struck with the notion to "I’d like to read the story and make up my mind for my myself".. go do that instead of being not lazy enough to still post a comment knowing it is based upon nothing more than what you perceive as the correct groupthink answer to the question.

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Submitted by dmd76 on

Heaven forfend, intranets! Someone would rather make up their own mind instead of chiming in "yes, lambert, of course, fuck kos!"

BDBlue, I'll answer your post from the end to the beginning. Firstly, where did LJ write "Cancel my f*cking account, Kos!"? Is this argument about the functionality of dailykos? If LJ didn't agree with the characterization of his diary, then he could simply not check the checkbox, not click the button, and then take it up with kos, or not. Whatever. If he finds the great orange satan so Orwellian, he can quite happily not post there, right?

Secondly, you are right, I was not familiar with Mr. Johnson's recent work. I'd followed his writing on the Plame affair, but was unaware of his anti-Obama stuff. I did not know that his shorthand, which so neatly dovetails with right-wing smears about Obama being a scary, black, foreign, Muslim man, merely referred to issues brought up in previous posts. A link would have been nice, but that's neither here nor there. It was my responsibility to read everything that LJ had written about Obama before judging this one piece. That said, let's analyze the article that supposedly exonerates and explains LJ's words.

1. Obama is "going to do for Africa what George Bush has done for Iraq", which one assumes means he is going to deploy troops to Kenya and take "sides in a tribal war in Kenya that is on the verge of becoming a Rwanda-like genocide." Very scary stuff! Hasn't Obama learned anything from the failures of the Bush administration? See, as you read the article, if you can find any hint of evidence supporting this.

2. Then we learn that Obama has a Kenyan cousin who also wants to be president of his country (it runs in their blood, dontchaknow.). That is uncomfortable! Now, Obama and his cousin have met at least twice, once in Kenya and once in the US. Obama, along with lots of other people, supported this guy in the Kenyan elections. Long story short, the cousin lost, rejected the results of the election, and violence ensued. Now LJ tells us, Obama "is not responsible for the killings" (thank god!), but has "shown shocking naivete in supporting his cousin". Of course, because Obama knew all along that his cousin's supporters would turn to violence after losing the election.

3. Now apparently, before the election, Obama's advisors sent Dick Morris in to help his cousin's campaign. Is it me or does the article that LJ references (http://allafrica.com/stories/200801180916.html (cleaned up to remove the "%20" from url)) not mention Dick Morris at all? As a matter of fact, I have not been able to find this article anywhere other than as Mr. Johnson's quote. Maybe someone with greater search fu than me find the original and link it here.

4. Apparently, Obama's cousin signed an agreement with "Kenya’s pro-jihadist National Muslim Leaders Forum", agreeing to implement sharia law among other things. That is scary! Fortunately for all of us, both he and the NMLF have dismissed the purported Memorandum of Understanding as a fake . Whose version of the story is true? I don't know, but neither do you.

5. Next we learn that Obama's father's sister's husband was a commie, and that Obama's fathers's sister's son (the cousin) went to school in East Germany. I can see how that would be hurtful to Obama. I mean, having a president whose grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer is one thing, but a Commie uncle? That's going too far.

6. Finally, Mr. Johnson tells us, his real concern is that all this oppo research that he's done is going to be used by the right-wing to smear Obama. Remember point 1, about Kenya being Obama's Iraq? That concerns him a little bit less than the right- wing attacking Obama's Kenyan ties and Muslim relatives. As a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to concern him at all, being that he doesn't mention it after his introduction.

As a matter of fact, LJ concedes "[t]here may be an innocent explanation for all of this". So when he was dissuading his Republican lobbyist neighbor from supporting Obama, LJ used all of this information (which may have an innocent explanation, remember), and made his neighbor flip. You can choose to ignore the Muslim-baiting and xenophobia, but do you really support this kind of sloppy, straight-out-of-the-Republican-playbook smear of a Democratic candidate?

Submitted by lambert on

Thank you for commenting, dmd76. Your comment is important to us. Please do not hesitate to comment again.

NOTE: Anybody who's actually interested in contributing knows that disagreement on this site is rather freely expressed.

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Submitted by dmd76 on

you greeted my first comment on your blog with a silly RegEx snipe about my username and called me a troll. Apparently, anyone who refuses to kiss your ass (or LJ's) is not actually interested in contributing.

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Submitted by leah on

First, let me welcome dmd76 to Corrente.

None of your concerns deserve to be ignored. And your response to "intranets" is reasoned and well-stated.

I would point out that no one here demands of any reader or poster that they accept anything written here by a click of the heels and a "Yes mien Furhur, as always you are the truth and the way." The fact that we make our front page available to readers is some indication of that.

I think Lambert jumped too quickly at characterizing you as a "concern troll," but you rather quickly assumed that the entirety of Corrente is made up of a bunch of thin-skinned Clinton supporters.

No one here is thin-skinned I can assure you.

Most of us had supported Edwards originally. I voted for Obama on Super Tuesday, and gave my reasons in a post that can be found most easily by clicking on my personal Corrente blog.

Larry Johnson, a former Republican, ex-CIA officer has won a lot of goodwill around the liberal blogisphere not only for his coverage of the Plame affair, but also around his invaluable coverage of how the Bush administration has been destroying the intelligence capacity of the nation, and the resultant horror of the clusterfuck that has become Iraq.

I have found the work he's been doing on Obama's Kenyan connections to be too thinly sourced to pay much attention to. And I am willing to concede that the Daily Kos warning is not necessarily an over reaction. However, I don't believe that what Johnson has been doing is similar to the out and out smears contained in that Obama is a secret Muslim email. And yes, some of his recent work has the whiff of opposition research about it; I think that's his point - to test the waters of what is out there, to warn Democrats and Obama campaign to be ready.

You could respond that he is doing the work of the rightwing smear machine for them, and perhaps so. But make no mistake; they don't need our help. They will be coming after Obama using exactly these kinds of smears.

And "intranet" you are always welcome here, but can't we tone down the impulse to insult one another?

mikiewrin, Kos loathes the DLC; "Crashing The Gates" is a primer on how the grassroots can outflank the DLC in the electoral process.

Don't we have more important things to do than to beat one another up?

Has anyone been making calls about FISA? I have, which is one of the reasons I've been unable to post. And rather than even waste my time asking any readers of Corrente to make such calls, or send emails, I decided to take my time and energy and just do some organizing of support for Rep. Reyes and Nancy Pelosi from my own nationwide contacts.

All that said, I love the graphic, Lambert, and both Paul's cheezwhiz analogy and Gene's retitling of "Crashing the Gate," and not just because they are funny.

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Submitted by dmd76 on

I went in to edit some silly grammar mistakes in my long post not realizing this would push the comment to the end. This was in reply to intranets and BDBlue, not Leah thoughtful reply to me.

Submitted by lambert on

It's Kos vs. a substantial number of contributors who supported [not Obama] and were, in essence, subjected to a flame war and forced off the site; administrative tools such as the one shown were one weapon in the flame war. This has nothing to do with Larry Johnson per se, who is one of many. That's one reason our traffic is up; we get the people Kos forced out, or who don't like the changed atmosphere.

As far as the technical question: It's a question of giving administrative powers to users to reorganize the threading. I'm not sure that's a good idea, at least in primary season.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Didn't mean to offend with my flippancy, just way too much emotion over L.Johnson specifically as opposed to the larger issue, that Kos has gotten too big for his britches and the rating system there supports his ego. Eventually, maybe soon, it will be The Net According To Kos and the resultant fallout is a natural effect. Pleased to hear it brings Corrente traffic.

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Submitted by dmd76 on

If Larry Johnson had not been acting like a jerk-off, bragging about how he's convincing Republicans to not vote for Democrats; using language that, unless you use the L.Johnson decoder ring, sounds exactly like racist, Republican smears; and, in the larger context of the other articles that he's written about Obama, flinging shit at BHO to see what sticks, then you might have a point. Unfortunately, he has done all of these things, and Kos was right to call him on it. Other people might have been reprimanded or kicked off or whatever unfairly, I don't know. You chose to use the example of LJ, and for all the reasons I've given, it doesn't prove your point.

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Submitted by intranets on

I never called dmd76 a troll. I did use the word "trolls" plural, so maybe he latched on to that. I was quoting markg8's comment. And before someone starts saying ad hom to me, I grow very weary of these copy and pasted off topic diatribes about OFB ROXORZS!! A post about koswellian free-speech tactics somehow turns into 1000 words on why Obama is teh awesome1! K.. I stand corrected and sorry for the cake.

Submitted by lambert on

... I would hazard, because you choose not to find out, by checking out the link I supplied. There's a reason, as I said, our traffic is up; people have commented how glad they are to find us.

But then, why should you believe me? After all, at DK -- and here, to some -- I'm "racist," "ignorant," "wrong," a "liar," "dishonest," a "shill," and on and on and on.

And the same deal with many long time bloggers. (I've noticed that the people who deal with the administrative issues of their sites are much more conscious of this phenomenon than others. "Never seen anything like it" is the general theme.)

So, I can understand taking the rhetorical stance that it's all about one person, but that's not do. What it's about is the fracturing of a community.

And all from the people preaching Unity! Well done, all. Cue either "grow up" or denial.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by dmd76 on

Poor Lambert, called names at DK (and here too!)

I never called you any names; I did, however, address the content of your post (you know, the one that was on the front page of your blog). You singled out Kos's treatment of Larry Johnson and I responded to that. My "rhetorical stance" is that you were wrong in pointing your readers to Larry Johnson as an example of Kos's censorship. He deserved everything he got.

The link you provided in your comment had absolutely nothing to do with being reprimanded or kicked off or censored by the management at dailykos, just someone who was unhappy with the vitriol directed his/her way by other posters. NB: I make no apologies for dailykos posters, because I don't represent them. They want to behave like jerks, that's their problem.

And as for fracturing the community, I invite you to read LJ's "FUCK KOS" post again. That is what you approvingly linked to.

intranets, where exactly did I cut and paste my off-topic diatribe from? Where exactly in my 1000 words do I praise Obama? You scream censorship because lambert told you too. Then, when you're challenged, you can't back your accusations up. baaaa baaaa baaaa

Submitted by lambert on

Thank you for commenting, dmd76. Your comment is important to us. Please do not hesitate to comment again.

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Submitted by elayneriggs on

Oh Lambert, that's so cute! But you know, tell it to Firedoglake's PRESS SECRETARY.

When you start making money from ads, when you hire a press secretary, when you repeatedly get your face on TV and you still ask readers to give you money, you've long since stopped by a blogger outside the gates.