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Carville re: night one of the convention

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"If this party has a message, it's done a hell of a job of hiding it tonight."

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

and furthermore "_________________"

(Project your own ideas in the blanks, it's the Obama method)

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“Payback is a PUMA”

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

see http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/2798...

yeah, those are PUMA sneakers...

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off topic, but....

what kills me is that this is just about the only "news" that has come out of the hundreds of bloggers at the convention -- and its only "news" because Jeralyn post the picture at Talk Left without even noticing Carville's footwear -- and someone else noticed it.

are any bloggers actually trying to cover the convention -- from what I've seen, the "blog" coverage is mostly "social" (where i went and who I saw) rather than any attempt to find out what delegates and others are thinking/saying.

Submitted by lambert on

What would you say, a personal act of defiance, like giving the teacher the finger in class but covertly so nobody can call it out?

Or a signal?

We're all Kreminologists now. (Who was the "someone" who noticed? You? Is there a link?)

UPDATE Found it. Alert reader Lobary at TalkLeft. Heh.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by dws on

God God God.

Did I mention God?

Oh. And boring people like Barack Obama.

Do. Not. Want.

(but will probably vote for anyway. Sometimes, life isn't fair.)

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Submitted by vastleft on

Expect a lot of code-worded narratives that basically say she proved that the Obamas aren't weird aliens that yokels wouldn't vote for (maybe Joe Biden can come up with a pithy description of that sort, or he can borrow one from somewhere).

One wonders if Cindy McCain is going to speak at the GOP convention and if she can go toe-to-toe with Michelle on presence. IMHO, a tough act to follow.

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Submitted by Damon on

This night was so sweet my teeth nearly rotted.

I knew they were going the human interest story route, but man. It was like watching a flashing screen filled with alternating pictures of cute kittens, cute puppies, and cute babies.

Maybe, I'm too...cynical, but their story doesn't seem to have changed. It was dripping cliche after dripping cliche, symbol after symbol. Claire McCaskill was smiling so incredibly hard that I feared that if she were to let us she'd explode. Michelle dropped so many cliches I thought the FCC was about to warn her "excessive pandering."

The only time I got any rise was when Kennedy called for health care for all.

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Submitted by vastleft on

I can't fault her if she can't make a great case for why Obama would be a great president.

I didn't see Pelosi. I might try to watch the Teddy section. Nice that the old fighter had at least one more hurrah in him, even if it's in the unfortunate role of shilling for such a dubious candidacy.

Mostly, I'm trying not to watch my party's self-inflicted trainwreck..

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Submitted by Damon on

I'm not sure why Michelle, or Cindy for that matter, matter, ultimately. Cindy doesn't have to be Michelle. Michelle was great, but I don't think it matters, much in the same way that while Hillary was much in the news running up to 1992, she ultimately didn't change much of anything in terms of her husband being elected. I think wives of candidates often get attributed more effect on a candidacy than is actual and real.

Cindy doesn't have to say or do anything. She doesn't have to react to Michelle and vice versa. The media loves to force these types of comparisons, but most people simply don't care how the two measure up to each other. Michelle was great, but Michelle's not running for president, and even the least connected to the process seem to realize that. Michelle could be a Stepford Wife or a Hillary Clinton, it doesn't change the equation.

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Submitted by vastleft on

... there is quite a legacy of first spouses playing a role in a variety of issues.

Although, to your point, the fascination is a foible that seems fit for a monarchy.

Anyway, we can take solace from the fact that the woman with bad enough taste to marry and stay with George W. Bush hasn't played an active role in American politics and public life.

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

Her job is to serve tea and sleep with the President.

That is an article of faith in the Obama Party.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

was that Barak Obama is a hard working, god-loving patriotic man who will do good things for America. This is a good message if there are millions of people who think, against all evidence, that you are a scary black man.

Of course, I like any evening that includes Jimmy Carter.

watch the convention on CSPAN, you will enjoy it much more. If you don't have cable, watch it on PBS with the sound muted and listen to it on CSPAN radio. It be much better than the cable harpies.

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Submitted by Damon on

I think this is a serious misjudgement of Obama's problems. It's an easy excuse to the very legitimate misgivings folks have about him. The campaign uses this because it stops all discussion. If your problem is really someone elses than I guess there is nothing else you can do about it. How...convenient.

I think they will find, to their own detriment, that if they keep painting those resistent to them as racists, they are shooting themselves in the foot when November comes around.

I'd venture to say that those few that actually view him as a "scary black man" are probably about as large a group (and probably the same group) who wouldn't vote for Kerry because he was Catholic. But, maybe that is being naive...

I seriously hope Obama's not afraid of losing the KKK vote. lol

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Submitted by Monkeyfister on

I don't think it is so "dishonest" to ask my question again...

It wasn't dishonest when I asked it the first time. There are plenty of posts and threads like this and the last one here, at the future home of PB 2.0.

If this is what to expect from PB 2.0, then just sign up to Pajamas Media. I hear that they pay.

--mf

Submitted by lambert on

certainly a rebranding, and probably editorial and administrative changes as well. In the meantime, things will continue as they have. So sorry that a crew of unpaid volunteers can't meet your expectations for content that you find agreeable immediately.

Meanwhile, I find a little gentle mockery -- if that's what you mean by "like this" -- very useful in dispelling offensive odors of sanctimony. YMMV. And heck, skimming the thread, the strongest snark came from Carville in the post -- a total Democrat if ever there was one.

On a technical note, a cursory reading of the PB 2.0 threads would have told you that we're thinking of it as a network, not one blog. So, no "home." Sorry, again, to disappoint your expectations.

UPDATE Should we add some Clinton Hatred? Would that help?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

of self-replicating content (A links to B links to C links to A on the same stuff) but also a diversity of content.

It's getting annoying to see folks picking on one post / comment / thread they don't like, then pointing and saying "is this PB2.0?? That sucks" and ignore the whole 6 (is it 6?) weeks of discussion which I would label as thoughtful, if all over the place, as is customary when starting a project.

Frankly, I don't know what PB2.0 will look like. I am quite sure I won't like some of the content offered (heck, I already don't read the gardening and knitting posts around here).

And court jesters have always had an essential function. Mocking as a challenge to power is healthy. It's mocking the powerless that sucks.

Go Global!

Submitted by lambert on

The toxicity of the discourse is going to wreck a brand that's more important. "Let the dead bury their dead." I want to go cold turkey after the convention -- or at least go a level up and talk about changes to the Constitutional order. Hopefully, as the entire left blogosphere turns into Tier Two of the Obama campaign, we'll get some hits just by covering news that others don't. Meanwhile, like it or not, we're tied to the wheel. The record has to be set straight, and readers want to hear about it.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by vastleft on

... the Obamawagon has elevated your game?

1. No response to my rebuttal to your "kill-it-before-it-grows" attack on PB2.0

2. Responding to FrenchDoc in this thread where she hadn't posted yet (my apologies if she had posted something that was since deleted) and referencing "[your] question" without explaining what question it is, which makes it a little hard for anyone to follow along if they haven't memorized your prior comments.

3. Not specifying what about this thread has you so troubled. Was it quoting Carville at all or sharing his concern that the party hasn't (I'll put this as nicely as possible) done a very good job of seizing the moment to build support for a partisan agenda, which would differentiate itself from the historically unpopular GOP and grease the skids for progressive reform (of course, Pajamas Media is all about that)? Was it the praise for Michelle Obama's performance?

4. Playing the troll's game of saying "go read the candidate's website." I guess that's what makes Obama even better than Martin Luther King -- sure, Barack's speeches are filled with meaningless platitudes and double-talk rhetoric that disempowers his own party, but damn check out http://www.barackobama.com/genericpolicy...

Look, enjoy your feelings of superiority to people who are concerned about the failure of the leftysphere to be a constructive resource during this presidential campaign, as it devolved from a band of iconoclastic, progressive citizen muckrakers into a band of creative-class Heathers, as drunk on truthiness as Judy Miller and Bill Kristol.

You're not mad at us for being wrong. You're mad that we're right -- that our party's candidate sucks and that our medium shit the bed while propping him up.

And do enjoy the rest of your flameout. I'm tired of pretending that former contributors who come here to wag a finger at us are doing anything other than giving themselves aircover to go "tut tut" to us heretics, so they can stop worrying and love the Obama. Knock yourself out, as they say. Hopium will surely do the trick.

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Submitted by herb the verb on

Didja see any policy message coming out of the convention tonite? Could you put up some links? It would be really cool to see if they talked about any Democratic issues tonight and what we are going to specifically work towards! That would be awesome!!!

Can you help?

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Submitted by lambert on

because it was throwing off the display.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by lambert on

"Check the website!":

Mack wanted to drill home one of the campaign's key strategies: telling potential voters personal stories of political conversion.

She urged volunteers to hone their own stories of how they came to Obama – something they could compress into 30 seconds on the phone.

"Work on that, refine that, say it in the mirror," she said. "Get it down."

She told the volunteers that potential voters would no doubt confront them with policy questions. Mack's direction: Don't go there. Refer them to Obama's Web site, which includes enough material to sate any wonk.

[hilarity ensues]

Damn, got to go into Google cache and get some juicy stuff on FISA....

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by herb the verb on

WORM the website! No way! Sorry MF, don't think I can, crashes my 14.4 modem.

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Submitted by lillianjane on

While flicking channels during a commercial break for The Family Feud, I heard commenters talking about Mrs. Precious describing himself's driving her to the hospital for the birth of their first child. This was supposed to provide "warm fuzzies." Is this what people are talking about when they say she was a good speaker? Did they feel warm and fuzzy about the drive to the hospital? Isn't that a pretty low standard?