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Bush latte: Obama's Christianist brochure another frickin dogwhistle to the right wing

[Read Vast Left first for more red meat. And now for the steak Tartare....]

obama3OBAMA: "We do what we do because God is with us."

People, good news! Now Obama's whoring his religion to get elected just like Bush, Huckabee, and the Christianist right! Not that there's anything wrong with that. If Obama wants to bring low information voters, Hillary Haters, and Christianist theocrats into Unity with the rest of us as Democrats for a day in the primaries, then more charisma to him, say I. (Of course, if Obama really wants to get into bed with the Christianists, he should go in for fraud and misappropriation of assets, or possibly clergy sex abuse.*)

Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

Naturally, since Glenn called bullshit, the Oborg is out in full force explaining, yet again, what Obama "really means."

As Glenn updates remarks:

For all those angrily objecting to the notion that Huckabee and Obama are the same: nobody is arguing that they are. At least I'm not arguing that, as I think I made quite clear.

Instead, I'm focusing solely on Huckabee's explicit religious appeal for votes, which conveys this message: "Like you, I'm a Christian; my Christianity is central to who I am and how I will lead; and therefore, as a devout Christian, you should vote for me for President."

And:

Hordes of Obama supporters are claiming in comments and elsewhere that this brochure was nothing more than a perfectly innocent attempt to counter the whispering campaign that Obama is a Muslim. As I indicated, I think that probably is one of the purposes, although there would seem to be lots of other ways to do that other than by creating something this overt. If Obama supporters are really intent on denying that part of the purpose here is to appeal to Christain voters by emphasizing Obama's "COMMITTED CHRISTIANITY," I suppose there is no way to persuade anyone otherwise.

But I do think this question should be answered: the "Obama-is-a-Muslim" whispering campaign has been around for a long, long time -- more than a year ago, it made national headlines. If the primary purpose of this flier -- as Obama supporters insist -- was simply to rebut that false claim, why didn't Obama distribute this Christian[ist] brochure to Democrats in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada? Why is it only the heavily Christian[ist] South Carolina Democrats who received it?

Sheesh. Who do I have to blow to get spam from the Oborg in comments? I feel so left out.

And let me add to what Glenn said: The rumor has been going around for a year, and it started on Limbaugh. So why didn't Obama call out Limbaugh a year ago? The question answers itself: If you plan to run, and govern, from the right, you can't call out iconic right wing figures. Not even the Oxycontin Kid. Call me crazy, but one way to show you're a leader is to, er, lead. Instead of making speeches about the Unity Pony.

NOTE And so much for Obama's comment about the "So called leaders of the Christian right", for which I gave Obama kudos. I guess I know what Obama "really means" by that comment: The Christianists just have the wrong "leaders." Sigh. Not cynical enough.

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Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

You don't want that. Really. They're like termites. Once they're in your house, their a pain to get rid of.

To Glenn Greenwald, I say "Well played!"

Submitted by lambert on

I can't but think if they act on the ground like they do in the threads, the caucus results could have been impacted.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by nic danger on

that thread was as bad as any i've read anyplace else,worse than some and certainly the most un-civil bunch of bullshit i've ever read there in the last 5 years.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Not a popular concept in some quarters, especially where people have allowed the Right to redefine the language, but take away core concepts and what you have left is anarchy. I was so pleased to see Digby put a stop to that trashmouth behavior, good for her. Nothing was being communicated, nothing valuable was going to emerge. Rather like pulling the car over to the side of the road and swatting the squabbling children in the back seat, not something you ever want to do but sometimes there's no other good choice.

I blame poor parenting - and rap.

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

Where's the love letter for the people who believe in civil liberties?

Where's the love letter for the people who believe in due process?

Where's the love letter for the people who want real (corporation-free) universal healthcare?

Where's the love letter for the people who are demanding that the Bush criminals be held accountable for their crimes?

These corporate Reagan-Democrats like Obama and Clinton would trade a dozen progressive votes for a single religious wingnut vote. Since they obviously don't need or want the votes of people like me, I wish them luck with their strategy . . .

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Submitted by DCblogger on

Someone needs to remind Obama et al that FISA was created in response to the spying and persecution of MLK Jr.

Submitted by lambert on

I'd thought FISA was created in response to CIA abuses, but FBI was as driver too? Linky goodness?

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Submitted by lambert on

Like pie-throwing on Kos, or something different?

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Submitted by nic danger on

on steroids.first off,someone mis-represented what digby said,and it went downhill fast from there.she commented pretty early on the thread something along the lines of why don't you try and keep on topic and that there are plenty of places that everyone could go if they didn't like what she posted.she was accused of being a hillary shill,and worse.so yeah,i guess it was like kos.it's just not what one is used to at hullabaloo...

Submitted by lambert on

It's amazing. Are they using the OFB as protective coloration?

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Submitted by lambert on

Sharpening their shivs seemed like a perceptive comment from a long-time Congress-watcher. What was all the frothing and stamping about?

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Submitted by nic danger on

a very straight-foreward digby post,you know well thought out and presented.i wish i had saved it(the comment thread) as an example to show people,but by the time i went back,all the comments were off.i had stopped reading somewhere around #70 or so,last i checked it was over 150.and then gone.

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Submitted by vastleft on

Sympathy for the Devil is a sin.

In another dozen years, if Obama gets elected and re-elected, they'll be hating on him for being the great triangulating Satan, and they'll wonder what went wrong.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Many things, actually, but related to what happened at Hullabaloo it is the willingness of the Fellows to interact with commenters and their ability to do so intelligently.

It was not, I think, behavior in just one thread that set Digby off. The decline in comment quality and rise in rancor has been going on for a while. I don’t read every thread but there had been a steady increase in invective, repeated appearances by a growing number of nasties who either haven’t read/understood what is always very clear writing or who are simply deranged and responding with hatred to trigger words.

The absence of proprietor intervention in most of the threads has attracted people more interested in spewing invective and trading taunts than exchanging ideas, because they can get whatever fix that gives them without getting spanked. For instance, recent threads on (forgive me) tasers included calls for shooting and killing every policeman who makes a traffic stop and they remained up without site management comment. Let that kind of vileness go unedited and the wrong sort will gather round like angry drunks, assuming that any kind of villainy is acceptable. We’ll see what effect this approach will have, a time-out for everyone will eventually hurt readership and diminish the value of the blog for decent folk, a pity.

Providing a safe yet challenging place in which to disagree is perhaps the greatest contribution to civilization that a blog can make. The views that are valid will persist, their arguments sharpened and strengthened by dissent, while those that are defective will eventually be weeded out. All very Darwinian, under the watchful eye of benevolent deities to whom I am appreciative, if not always worshipful.

Speaking of demi-gods, Lambert, while I have your attention there may be a glitch in the comments process for

http://www.correntewire.com/why_seek_uni...

Tried multiple times yesterday and again today with a brief, simple text (one link to an NYT archive PDF). Input, preview and edit functions seem OK but all that happens after clicking on [Post comment] is a screen refresh to the top of the page and nothing new in the comment thread. Cleared cookies and cache, restarted IE, rebooted my computer, lost count of how many tries, got fed up last evening and went over to read Digby, so there. If the God of Small Adjustments would be kind enough to take a peek under the bonnet and reset the input regulator screws on that particular intertube, I’d be grateful.

Otherwise, perfect.

Submitted by lambert on

Here.

IIRC, Kos wanted to destroy the DLC this year. Somehow, I don't think Obama leveraging the Clinton Haters is what he had in mind as the means toward this goal. Ick:

I've been closely following the sexist treatment of Hillary Clinton in the press --- I always monitor the media narratives and this one was indisputably powerful and instructive. (Eric Boehlert has a column up about The Tweety Effect today.) And I've also been critical of some of Obama's post-partisan rhetoric because I just disagree with it as a matter of strategic principle, even as I understand why he is doing it. Those two things seem to have led readers to believe that I am a biased, possibly paid, closet Clinton shill, which is what turned the comment section into a war zone.

Exactly. Unless there's something extremely sophisticated about the OFB that I'm not getting, that sums up my experience.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by lambert on

The headlines also go into news feeds in the sidebars of some other sites -- and they might not be as free-wheeling in their language as we are.

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Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

The major liberal blogs have been hijacked. At TPM (itself employing a double standard in favor of Obama), I merely stated that Obama's Reagan remarks perpetuated GOP myths and explained why, including Obama's own words. This one woman, who swore she was not an Obama supporter, shrieked at me that a right-winger and the type of person she HATED (Yes, bold and in caps) because I was "nothing but a LIAR!!!" She then went on for two more paragraphs on how vile I was; never did she rebut my criticism. I was floored.

I doubt I'm the only one, but it affects you (Poor Digby). Already I was used to flashing my anti-Hillary credentials before commenting, but after getting scorched every time for stating facts, I neutered my criticisms. Only when the false "race" scandal came out did I say, "Enough."

The press, the vast majority of liberal blogs, The Nation and other "progressive" mags are decidedly pro-Obama/anti-Hillary to the point they lie about the man (and not just by omission). Something is seriously wrong.

Since it is not political (Overall, Obama & Clinton are mostly political twins; Obama is the least progressive of the 3 Dems), and devotion to Obama is decidedly based on Hillary hate (i.e. that's their standard argument, rebuttal), I can only conclude that misogyny is the fuel for this rabid cult. How else do you explain the projection, hysteria, and sheer delusion? Someone tell me I'm wrong.

P.S. Those brochures are chilling. I know The Oprah said he was "The One," but implying God has chosen you ("Answering The Call") is most disturbing.

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

I meant to say: "...shrieked at me that I was a right-winger..."

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

for this: I blame poor parenting - and rap.

rap? because yeah, "country and western" songs never talk about drinking, smoking, adultery, or trashy living.

people who blame rock and roll, rap, whatever for all our problems are as tired today as they were in the 50s. or do you suppose we should go back to not showing anything below the waist on teevee because it will bring about the end of decent society?

...i'm sure you were kidding.

Submitted by lambert on

On working the refs!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.